If you speak Arabic, you're a terrorist.
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 23:13
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Quote:This isn’t a false choice at all. In fact, there’s every reason to believe that this is a choice that screeners in the US have likely faced.
Originally posted by misbehaven:
Your right. African-Americans statistically commit more crimes than White-Americans, or at least they have a higher conviction rate. However, that's a whole other debate. As for your choice between an old English woman and a young Middle Eastern man, that's a false choice. But the Bush administration has been giving Americans those ever since 9/11.
Quote:It’s not a false choice at all. In fact it is a choice that everyone has had to make when faced with a war. It’s a choice most people in the world make. In fact, only people in the rich, relative safety of the Western world can afford to forego that choice.
Originally posted by misbehaven:
I think that we must be careful to respect people's civil liberties. To suggest there is a trade-off between security and individual freedoms - that we must discard one protection for the other - is a false choice. You do not defend liberty to forsake it.
Claiming that these are “false choices” is just a way of avoiding a difficult issue. But the issue is real. People want to be safe, and if they cannot have confidence in our airplane screening they will evidentally do their own screening attempts, with much less consideration for fairness, I imagine.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you really want to know, I suggest that we consider airport screening processes that don’t use random methodology
Ah...common ground. With respect to this part of your post, I'm in complete agreement with you. Random searches are ......well, random. They're a waste of valuable time and limited resources.
But that's all for me. It's time for Deadwood. Whores, alcohol, and throat-cuttin' ....a good time for all.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation."
-Bertrand Russell
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Quote:Never got into Deadwood, really. But anything with whores, alcohol and throat-cuttin’ can’t be too bad.
Originally posted by misbehaven:
But that's all for me. It's time for Deadwood. Whores, alcohol, and throat-cuttin' ....a good time for all.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:If Americans had pulled a 911 in Mexico, you couldn't even pay me to go there. I value my existance too much.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:It's not sure whether they were speaking Arabic, all that's known for sure is they were 'Muslim looking'.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
To be fair and realistic, if I were of Arab descent, I would be speaking english on an English or American plane these days, for my own saftey.
There's a lot of nuts out there, on both sides of the fence.
Would you only speak Spanish in Mexico?
I already plan to never visit the ME for 'similar' reasons.
If I were of ME descent, I would be so tetchy about air-travel right now, I probably would never use it.
And if I lived in the ME, and had no relatives in the west, I'd never go there.
These are crazy times, and the best defense is not being where you can get hurt.
For my own part, I can usually sense potential violence when it's near me, and two ME-types on a plane with me would pose no interest to me, unless I sensed a cold hatred from them- then I'd keep a watchful eye.
But then I'd keep a similar watchful eye for any couple or group I sensed it from, unless they were children, I guess.
I say similar, but I admit, the ME look would add some edge to my attention if I sensed anything- so I probably would be guilty of profiling, even if only in that small way.
Only human Chrisisall
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My dearest CiTz, what a joke you have become. Why don't you stop playing around and fulfill your trollish destiny. You have nothing but hot air and flame. Stop pretending.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And yes, we should more closely examine Muslim passengers then old women. Then maybe they went "through the same security measures everyone else" will mean more then it does right now.
I take it you never saw 'Mrs. Doubtfire.'
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Quote:If Robin Williams decides to become a cross-dressing elderly suicide bomber, we’re just all screwed.
Originally posted by Eric:
I take it you never saw 'Mrs. Doubtfire.'
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If Robin Williams decides to become a cross-dressing elderly suicide bomber, we’re just all screwed.
Exactly. If you only target Arab-looking men, they'll just dress up as old women. A random system means there's a chance you'll get caught no matter how you appear. And there have been a few female suicide bombers in Palestine and Iraq. Bomb sniffers that everyone has to pass through is crucial, but it won't happen, because that would require technology development and time. And politicians only get credit for instant-gratification appearances of action.
BTW, if I really wanted to make some quick money, I'd get a tan, grow a beard, then get on a plane and start talking some ME-sounding gibberish. After I get kicked off for no good reason, I'd sue the airline for what little profit they're making. That's Homeland Security. USA!!! USA!!!
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Originally posted by Eric:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If Robin Williams decides to become a cross-dressing elderly suicide bomber, we’re just all screwed.
Exactly. If you only target Arab-looking men, they'll just dress up as old women. A random system means there's a chance you'll get caught no matter how you appear. And there have been a few female suicide bombers in Palestine and Iraq. Bomb sniffers that everyone has to pass through is crucial, but it won't happen, because that would require technology development and time. And politicians only get credit for instant-gratification appearances of action.
BTW, if I really wanted to make some quick money, I'd get a tan, grow a beard, then get on a plane and start talking some ME-sounding gibberish. After I get kicked off for no good reason, I'd sue the airline for what little profit they're making. That's Homeland Security. USA!!! USA!!!
You are a babbling fool. When they dress as old women we will search everyone. till then... why go random when we can narrow it down a bit. doesn't that make sense idiot? Well, it's true.
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Quote:This is common fallacy. It’s used often in the abortion debate. But in the end, it is a fallacy, and we are not at risk of being blown up by old women.
Originally posted by Eric:
Exactly. If you only target Arab-looking men, they'll just dress up as old women. A random system means there's a chance you'll get caught no matter how you appear. And there have been a few female suicide bombers in Palestine and Iraq. Bomb sniffers that everyone has to pass through is crucial, but it won't happen, because that would require technology development and time. And politicians only get credit for instant-gratification appearances of action.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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