There is a God, or There is no god the next generation

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DUKKATI

Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:14 PM

Thank you. I can chew on this for awhile.

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I've been through the system.
It dont work.

YINYANG

Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:36 PM

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Man becoming gods ...HA! [note the little g]

If man kind were ever able to become gods then we would have a whole lots of gods fighting over who was the best god and sooner or later one god would figure out how to make all the other gods disappear.....but if every one was a god then every one would already know every thing so we would know how to do anything...whow! boogles the mind dont it?

Theres goes that "leap of logic" of mine again....

The self-correcting DukKati. I like it.

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DREAMTROVE

Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:40 PM

Nanite,

The antichrist is a chick named Hannah.

Andrew: (singing) We will be GODS!

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:30 AM

Heya Dream,

I know this thread is "sooooo last week" but I couldn't leave this misunderstanding between us hanging. The main thing I didn't appreciate about your "mexicans" comment was not that it offended my P.C. sensibilities, but was how completely dismissive you were of my position.

It's as if I'd come back from Cairo and was talking about how amazing the Pyramids were and you told me, "Not really, my little brother and I used to build 'em in the backyard when we were kids." I might shake my head in dismay and repeat the words "little brother" not because you used the prejudicial modifier "little" but because of how trivial you made my experiences out to be.

You know, I was very disappointed that you would dismiss me like that on what I assume is little or no evidence whatever. I found it profoundly ironic that you, who are willing to see beyond the "official story" of 9/11 to some pretty hard to imagine criminal conspiracies, would simply trash my comments and supply the most dismissive "official story" as if you were the AURaptor of metaphysics.

But I know you aren't responsible for our entire culture's dismissal of these things which interest me and I shouldn't take it out on you. Sorry.

P.S.: If you should ever have the chance to check out any crop circles, I encourage you to see one up close and personal, from up close they really are hard to dismiss.

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Ah, you crazy and very ill-informed. Thing's big as a football field and mathematically accurate down to inches. And these things happen in a matter of minutes and no one--no one--has ever caught your mexicans in the act. A couple guys with boards hoaxing could not pull this off.

what a load of bull

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Also, DT, you need to understand that the plants that have been bent have not been broken but continue to grow. Try that with a board tied to your leg.

Huh? I'm a farmer remember.

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Mexicans. You see, Antimason, people are devoted to their belief systems first. Any rational justification is just an afterthought to make their cherished beliefs sound good.

I knew the PC police would give me a hard time. Mexicans. Farm. they do, I've seen 'em do it. is it a sterotype, sure. Do I have anything against Mexicans? absolutely not. Viva Mexico, etc. I don't know what you're problem with Mexicans is that you don't think they're capable of this :)

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

RUE

Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:47 AM

Oh HK,

I was curious. You were interested in what atheists find comfort in*. Did you feel you got an understandable answer?

* Yes, I know, this is a dangling participle. But I see it everywhere - in national newspapers and magazines etc. So I guess I'm so old standard English has changed since I learned it in school.

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:02 AM

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Oh HK,

I was curious. You were interested in what atheists find comfort in*. Did you feel you got an understandable answer?

* Yes, I know, this is a dangling participle. But I see it everywhere - in national newspapers and magazines etc. So I guess I'm so old standard English has changed since I learned it in school.

Hey Rue, the threads are flyin' fast and furious on the RWED these days, it's hard to keep up! As far as I know, I got no answer at all...now, I can't even find the post (thread?) where I posed the question. Help?

(Edit: found the thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=23117 )

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

REAVERMAN

Monday, August 21, 2006 4:52 AM

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no fossil evidence has been recovered.

Not true. I dont have a specific link, but I bet you could find tons of stuff about archaeological evidence for evolution on the discovery channel web page.

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are you saying you cant prove a murder case by using eye witness accounts?

Uh.. yeah, pretty much. Eyewitness testimony helps in a murder case, but is a helluva long way from proof.

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so what exactly is the Bible, and the numerous third person accounts of a historical Jesus, and the miracles he performed?

His followers making him sound good.

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it is not hard to prove that Jesus existed, and died on the cross

Its already been proven that Jesus existed. The question is his divinity.

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..or that hundreds of people witnessed his ressurection,

How is that easy to prove? Even if it happened, those witnesses have been dead for 2000 years, so how do we get proof of that?

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to the extent that they were murdered and pursued ruthlessly by the Romans for their beliefs.

They were ruthlessly persecuted for breaking Roman law. Every citizen of the empire had to pay lip service to the emperor once in a while. It was the law. I'm sure a god would know where your heart truly lay, so they were persecuted for their own thick-headedness.

PS: The new testament wasn't written down until 80-100 years after Jesus' death. There are no "eyewitness accounts".

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

SERGEANTX

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:18 AM

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Originally posted by antimason:
if there were a God which created the universe, what would you expect such an entity or force to look like?...

David Blaine?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SERGEANTX

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:34 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ah, you crazy and very ill-informed. Thing's big as a football field and mathematically accurate down to inches. And these things happen in a matter of minutes and no one--no one--has ever caught your mexicans in the act. A couple guys with boards hoaxing could not pull this off.

Also, DT, you need to understand that the plants that have been bent have not been broken but continue to grow. Try that with a board tied to your leg.

HK, by my estimation you're one of the smartest people on RWE. That's why it kinda shocks me when you post stuff like this. The crop-circle thing is one of the flimsier of the 'paranormal' phenomena. Forgive me for saying so, but sometimes it seems like your bullshit sensor is completely broken, at least when it comes to this kind of stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circles

http://www.circlemakers.org/

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 21, 2006 12:17 PM

HK

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I know this thread is "sooooo last week"

Huh, you're the same age as me.
Or maybe you just followed just to the buffy movie.
Or was it heathers?

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but I couldn't leave this misunderstanding between us hanging. The main thing I didn't appreciate about your "mexicans" comment was not that it offended my P.C. sensibilities, but was how completely dismissive you were of my position.

Was I?

"You have no idea how easy a matter it is to offend a man who is on the look-out for offenses." - Frederick Douglas

Seriously, getting offended is not a work of art, or anything greatly remarkable like the pyramids.

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It's as if I'd come back from Cairo and was talking about how amazing the Pyramids were and you told me, "Not really, my little brother and I used to build 'em in the backyard when we were kids."

Oh, it's possible you were refering to crop circles. They're nothing new either. Talented mexicans.

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I might shake my head in dismay and repeat the words "little brother" not because you used the prejudicial modifier "little" but because of how trivial you made my experiences out to be.

Nah we're clearly the same age because you used a variant of "that's sooo five minutes ago."

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You know, I was very disappointed that you would dismiss me like that on what I assume is little or no evidence whatever.

Crop circles are in fact mexicans with too much time on their hands, I read an article about someone catching them in the act. I just didn't want to go into it.
There is no extra-terrestrial presence on the Earth. Humans are not important, heck, we're not even a species, we're just a breed of ape. An animal who builds things, big whoop as far as the universe is concerned.
And space is big, real big, you may think it's a long walk down to the chemists, but that's peanuts compared to space.

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I found it profoundly ironic that you, who are willing to see beyond the "official story" of 9/11 to some pretty hard to imagine criminal conspiracies,

It's patently obvious. The official story makes no sense, it's full of magic and superstition.

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would simply trash my comments and supply the most dismissive "official story" as if you were the AURaptor of metaphysics.

Lol. I think it's absurd. If it helps any I think the christian's fantasies about christ's ascention are equally absurd.
But it's easy to make crop circles, any talented group of mexicans with too much time on their hands can do it.

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But I know you aren't responsible for our entire culture's dismissal of these things which interest me and I shouldn't take it out on you. Sorry.

They're nifty, and if someone said "hey, look at what these guys did" we'd say "cool" but as evidence of extra-terrestrial presence, it's boulderdash, it's like those fake relics in tombs with the space ships.
If I thought there were aliens visiting earth, I'd believe it, but it's just not so. Think how advanced humans are compared to other apes. Then think about all the trillion species of life. We, alone, have space ships, and it's in doubt if we ever made it to the moon. Think how many billions of years of animals without space ships. Now think of how many planets you have to go out until you find one which will be as abundant of life as the Earth, then how many of those before you have to go before you find space ships that have actually gone somewhere. Space travel is really rare. It might be thousand of light years. Now Imagine you're a galatic empire with space ships. Where are you going to go? To all of the planets that surround you looking for intelligent life? Sure. How long would it take until you're search expanded as far as Earth. Forever. If you want to meet space aliens, you have to go to them. They ain't coming here.

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P.S.: If you should ever have the chance to check out any crop circles, I encourage you to see one up close and personal, from up close they really are hard to dismiss.

I checked them out years

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