There is a God, or There is no god the next generation
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 02:57
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Quote:You think you can honestly say that no religion has had any role in helping you create your moral code at all? I mean I came to my own morals my self, but I can't honestly say that I was not influenced by the religons around me and that I have come into contact with.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Interestingly, I don't get any help from religion to create my moral code either. Maybe human beings don't need these "authorities" to do our thinking for us.
Quote:There's a difference between taking solace in religion, whether that's the community it fosters, the concepts or the belief or even having someone too turn too, god the priest whatever, and repressing your emotions because 'they've gone to a better place'. I've never taken this solace myself, but I find it silly to ignore the experience of a great many people who do.
I've always found the consolation of religion just a little absurd and mainly I see it used to deaden real feeling rather than express it, i.e.: "Don't cry, your mother has gone to a better place." Oooh, that makes me crazy mad!
Quote:Your computer clockwork is it
The interesting thing about the charge of an electron is that the vast, vast majority of people live their entire lives without needing that information for themselves.
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Haha! Both science and religion are equally useless! Haha!
Not necessarily. Science, for example, is very useful when it comes to medicine and such.
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yinyang,
I was kinda kidding. I mean, I was a lot kidding. Yes, science has proven extremely useful.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by nanite1018:
Here's my problem with religion: there's no evidence to support it; other than people's word. Unfortunately, that's not good enough. This type of thing is so remarkbable, so important, that you can't just take people's word for it; which is what you're doing when you believe the Bible is true.
There is extra-biblical evidence to support existence of a higher power. Whether you choose to attribute that evidence to said higher power is a personal choice.
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"My feelings are changeable but intense" Anya (season 7 Buffy)
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Oh, okay. That makes me feel much better about you. 
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Quote:I can.
Originally posted by citizen:
You think you can honestly say that no religion has had any role in helping you create your moral code at all?
I found religion to be a tool for divisiveness quite early on.
I got all my early moral lessons from Star Trek.
Thank The Great Bird Of The Galaxy Chrisisall
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Quote:Plenty of influence, all of it bad. If some particular article of faith from this or that religion strikes my fancy, rings true, then I might appropriate the terminology, but I do my best to stay away from belief in general--I'd rather stick to what I know and what seems likely based upon previous experience. I don't need absolute proof of a thing to accept it, but I don't let myself get too attached either.
Originally posted by citizen:
You think you can honestly say that no religion has had any role in helping you create your moral code at all? I mean I came to my own morals my self, but I can't honestly say that I was not influenced by the religons around me and that I have come into contact with.
Quote:Hey citizen, I think you might have to run this one by me again, I'm a li'l confused as to your meanin'. I find organized religion enormously repressive of emotions, sexuality, aggression, heterodox thinking, the list goes on and on. Tends to make me think that a lot of people have acquired a taste for repression, not that the religion isn't really repressing them just because it comforts them.
There's a difference between taking solace in religion, whether that's the community it fosters, the concepts or the belief or even having someone too turn too, god the priest whatever, and repressing your emotions because 'they've gone to a better place'. I've never taken this solace myself, but I find it silly to ignore the experience of a great many people who do.
Quote:We kid, we kid, but all kidding aside: do you think it's important for someone who uses a computer to know how it works? Just as the proper functioning of a democracy demands an informed electorate, does the proper functioning of a technologicaly society demand informed users? Do you think I'm giving up important power if I don't understand modern technology? I'm curious.
Your computer clockwork is it
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I'll end up laying in corner babbling "none of it's real, none of it's real..." and that's just not productive. Or fun.
Says who?
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And most everyone will agree because the sky is blue all over the world.
Ummm...Los Angeles?
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OH ! OH ! OH ! OH ! I Know ! I Know!
:WavingHandInAir:
SCIENCE teaches us how to build a nuclear bomb!
RELIGION teaches us when to use it!
Did I learn good, teacher ?
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HK - I tend to lean in your direction.
I've known three religious people in my life for whom religion deepened their souls (one a parent, one a grandparent). Except for those three, the rest of the religious people I've known have been seriously arrogant little pricks. So while I can't say my experience with religion and religious people has been uniformly bad, it's been overwhelmingly so. OTOH, two of the religious-but-still-good people I knew were immigrants. So maybe US religion in particular just has a bad flavour, and Citizen is speaking from a different background.
Both my parents were nominally RC (being Polish), but well educated, broad-minded and tolerant. I never grew up in a strictly religious atmosphere. That's probably the reason why I've thought of people like Jesus and Buddha as teachers, and all religions as a window into the human soul - for better or worse (like the Aztecs).
No conclusions here, just rambling ....
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