Genocide. ...Who Decides?
POSTED BY: USBrowncoat
UPDATED: Monday, August 21, 2006 00:46
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Your age speaks volumes about your post. Don't just read headlines yang! Read the story. I gave my opinion on who would be willing to commit genocide, then asked posters of this thread to give their take.
No doubt you'll win many friends and admirers with this post. You managed to insult her for her age, her literacy and her inability to follow directions. Well done!
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Hey, you sissy..LOVE to see you acting like a troll! was that an unprovoked "Dart"...You are rich.....But seeing you kiss ass around here no one will notice your shitty ways...If anyone is going to be a dick to usbrownskirt...It'll be me! so ta ta faggot!
PS. Chris eatsshitisall
Well, it's true
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I'd rather have folks around to buy things from and sell things to than annihilate them.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
I am 100% convinced that America and the Western civilized countries have the means to commit genocide, against Muslim nations, but do not want to.
If you mean nukes, then probably (but not definitly). But, if you mean anything else, then no, certainly not.
At any rate, there will always be survivors.
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I am also 100% convinced that Muslim nations want to commit genocide against anyone non-Muslim,
You're confusing Muslims with the small number of fanatical terrorist Muslims.
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but do not have the means to do so.
You're probably right.
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It is in their hateful language, their religion, and culture.
Bigot much? And before you complain about this, here's the definition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Bigot
"""
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
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Seriously, you had to expect this with what is quoted directly above.
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I am trying to get an idea where my fellow posters stand on this issue. Give country, age, sex, and opinion.
CA, 29, Male.
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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
Come again?
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I see what you are saying. When I made my second post she had not edited yet. But I do get a troll baiting vibe from you. Why would you jump into a thread and attack a post before posting one on the topic? I had this experience last night. Do not want another...Bye!
No trolling, just pointing out a fact. Namely, that YingYang made a post and you bit his/her head of for it.
If you don't want people pointing out when you do something aggressive that's completely uncalled for, then don't do it.
Again, the retort was very appropriate given what you said. And actually, a lot of people would have actually blasted you instead of make a calm "just pointing out the facts" type post.
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We should drop nukes on those towel headed, Camel riding, sand monkeys...Get them before they get you.....
Well, it's true
Chris eatsshitisall
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I have absolutely no doubt that America and other Western countries have the means to commit genocide. Although, I personally find it more curious as to why, when they have the means to prevent genocide, they too frequently stand passively by and let it happen anyway.
This, this is what I hate! All too often have I noted this in my studies. It's all political and economical rather than human. It is easier to pretend to asauge a bit of hurt, but not really do anything. Cheaper too. Then, after the fact say a very sincere "sorry" and throw a bit of money at the nearly resolved situation. I'm thinking mainly of Rwanda, but seriously. When have the world powers every really stepped in? OK, so WWII with with the Holocaust, the US was there, but not really for that reason. Where was the US when the Armenians were given hell? Where were they for the countless pograms in the eastern European nations? Where? And why not? It irks me so much sometimes that I wish I could claim I was born elsewhere, that I was forced to be American against my will...
I'm technically Armenian, you see. At some point in history (dunno when, my dad doesn't keep track of things) my ancestors immigrated to the US. It was prolly about a hundred years ago or so. They left before a whole hecka lotta crud happened.
Anyway, I digress. What I hate most about America and the other prestigious nations is the apathy. Apathy will get every unfotunate soul killed.
I hate it.
US, 20, F.
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The Armenian genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks, not the Americans. In fact, it was the West that defeated the Ottomans, and the Americans were in that fight. Hitler would use the Armenian genocide as an example of how the Jewish Question should be dealt with. But it was the West that defeated Hitler too.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Technically you are an American you ass. that you should be thankful for. I suggest you pack up your things and move if you don't like it.
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Technically you are an American you ass. that you should be thankful for. I suggest you pack up your things and move if you don't like it.
I do know that I am technically an American. But thanks for the suggestion. I fully intend to whenever I get half a chance. Thank you for the cheerful comment.
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The Armenian genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks, not the Americans. In fact, it was the West that defeated the Ottomans, and the Americans were in that fight. Hitler would use the Armenian genocide as an example of how the Jewish Question should be dealt with. But it was the West that defeated Hitler too.
This I know. But the delemma still stands. Apathy.
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I know that this part will disappoint, but in the spirit of debate, a mean it sincerely. Finn said 'genocide' is a loaded term inflamatory. Like islamo-factist, it's not a matter of the truth there in, but in the response it garners, so for the sake of debate, I've retired it. That said, I'll address it in the context of the quesiton, but not accuse anyone of it.
USB,
I don't know why your are 100% sure, I'm not at all sure that you're right on any accounts. I think there are certainly americans with that will, and probably against any group. We still have nazis, and people who think lynchings should return, and even people who believe in a mexican barbeque if you catch my drift. Just recently, a self proclaimed 'bleeding heart liberal democrat' actually defended slaught of the indians as a political necessity, an nuking japan as 'the right thing to do.' All of that considered, and the current geopolitical situation, a large minority of americans must have that stance towards arabs or muslims.
I'm sure a sizable minority of the arab/muslim population have that the same stance towards the west. I have about zero evidence to support the idea that this feeling is stronger on one side than the other.
On the means issue, massive slaughter of a race has been accomplished with machetes. Muslims probably have the means if all of them were committed (several muslim leaders have nukes). Sure, it would be easier for a few americans have the power, and may have the will, I don't know. I think that if there is an effect on this scale, it's not the desired result, but I think perhaps there are some in the decision making process who would not be upset if that were the agenda. But I strongly suspect it's not the operating motive of the command or the majority of the people of either side.
I suppose the knee jerk reaction to who decides is the UN. The UN has condemned the Janjaweed in Sudan, and not the Al Qaeda factions or the western factions, so clearly they're very specific on what qualifies. They have not shirked at condemn israel's aggressions, so if they feel it appropriate they'll probably make the call.
HK,
spot on
Finn,
I have talked to Iranians, read Ahmadinejad's speeches in full. I know this is not the agenda. A few malicious translations make things look much worse then they are, and are designed to do so. I'm am almost completely certain that you are perfectly aware of all of this.
I'm not an idiot, and I don'thtink you're an idiot (If I did, would I argue the point with you?) But I know that you know this stuff. Don't waste too much time spinning, we know the reality too. No one is saying Iran is Israel's best friend, or America's. But they're a regional power with a right to a point of view, which is not a genocidal one against jews. Fiery rhetoric and mistranslation aside, the Iranians are somewhat reasonable, and if someone want to negotiate with them, it could be done. And BTW, I know that the Iranians are very very difficult, I have no illusions about this, but they are certainly not idiots.
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