There is a God, or There is no god the next generation
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UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 02:57
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Quote:Ah, you crazy and very ill-informed. Thing's big as a football field and mathematically accurate down to inches. And these things happen in a matter of minutes and no one--no one--has ever caught your mexicans in the act. A couple guys with boards hoaxing could not pull this off.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
When I look at this
I see mexicans with too much time on their hands.
Also, DT, you need to understand that the plants that have been bent have not been broken but continue to grow. Try that with a board tied to your leg.
Mexicans. You see, Antimason, people are devoted to their belief systems first. Any rational justification is just an afterthought to make their cherished beliefs sound good.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by PaganPaul:
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The basic gist of my explanation is that there are two separate and contradictory creation stories in the book of Genesis.
The first creation story documents how all the Gods and Goddesses gathered together and performed the Great Creation, the 7 day create-a-thon, which culminated in Them creating men and women together as equals, and giving them “dominion over the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, the beasts of the earth,” etc. This is the famous “Let US create man in OUR image, in OUR likeness,” quote. It’s the only time the bible uses the plural in reference to god, so don’t try to explain it as the royal “we” since it’s not used anywhere else.
Now skip ahead a bit, and we get to the second creation, in which a single god goes off by himself in secret and creates a man and a woman (no where does it say Adam and Eve were the first ones). These poor, less than perfect beings were never given dominion over anything, and were created with the sole purpose of worshiping this single vain god.
This also explains why when Cain slays his brother Able, there is an entire city for him to run off to. This city is populated by the children of the first creation, who took pity on this poor lost soul and welcomed him into their community, where he proceeded to spread his own “original sin” throughout the population via his descendants.
Since the descendants of the second creation have no dominion over the earth, when we children of the original population demonstrate our God and Goddess given abilities we are labeled as witches and burned at the stake by the jealous children of the second.
The Pagans are the original population, and the Christians (descendants of Adam and Eve) came later with lesser abilities. This is all according to their own bible.
There’s a lot more to it, and many more examples of the True Gods being above the petty single god (the one who lied to Adam and Eve in the garden - the snake actually told the truth!), but that’s the basic gist of the explanation.
We are the true people. We are the way. So says their own bible.
I think that's the coolest thing I've ever heard.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Antimason,
I know the whole millennial gig, believe me. I know about Jerusalem and the 7 years of tribulation. I know what millenarians say today. My question was how could all these other folks for the past 2 thousand years be so dead wrong? They read the same Bible you do, so how did they miss all this stuff you list? Every hundred years for 2 thousand years, there have been enough apparent fulfillments of prophecy to convince many Christians that Antichrist was upon them.
well..im not quite sure how to answer that, because i wasnt with them, and im not sure what they were basing their beliefs off of.
are you arguing that we're no different now, with 6 billion people on earth, then when the earth only possessed a few hundred million people?
America didnt become the world superpower until the 50's, around the same time Israel regained its sovereignty. if America is Mystery Babylon, then these two phases of prophecy had yet to be fullfilled.
i will state again, the Jews had to return to their homeland before the final generation of the end. a great portion of Revelation takes place in Israel; if the jews have been scattered since Rome 2000 years ago, and even longer before that, then its obvious the prophecies hadnt fully reached maturity yet.
heres another thing that both you HK, and Kanemen deny, and that is the presence of the occult and their NWO agenda. you may think its all just theatrics, but i think its an accurate gauge to track antiChrist prophecy and the system of the beast. if you arent considering the occult, you arent listening to Jesus when he warns you of false christs and the synonogue of Satan.
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antimason, I have a serious question for you: do you want us to be afraid? Do you think Christ wants us to be afraid?
And I'm curious, have you investigated the socalled "Third Secret of Fatima" at all?.
does Jesus want us to be ignorant? im not afraid..i know the stakes, and im willing to fight for the word, and the truth of prophecy. im always baffled...just what do people think the tribulation is exactly? it is the persecution of believers at the hand of the world, which is of Satan.
maybe i should ask why youre afraid? is it because this pre-tribulation rapture is proving to be wishful thinking? is it because you support Bush, therefore you are you supporting the agenda of Mystery Babylon? brother id rather you know the truth, and change your ways and distance yourself from the Christians who think America is Gods chosen people, and will float away in the clouds safe and sound before all the rough stuff happens on earth; cause thats a lie! America will recieve the worst persecution and judgement, because we are the wealthiest, christian nation ever to exist; and have allowed ourselves to be decieved by the beast! its in revelation
as for the thrid secret of fatima, i recall the story vaguely from awhile back...i did a little reading on it just now, but im not sure what the question is? tell me your opinion, and ill respond when i know what you want to know for sure. what i do know is that Satan and his fallen angels will return in the end to help decieve mankind, and usher in this global religion based on Lucifer
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Quote:C'mon, AM, they were basing their beliefs off of the same thing you are, the Holy Bible, specifically, the Book of Revelation.
Originally posted by antimason:
well..im not quite sure how to answer that, because i wasnt with them, and im not sure what they were basing their beliefs off of.
Quote:Why is it when people don't understand another person's argument, they imagine the other person's argument to be some wacky untennable nonsense? I'm arguing that the Bible, the Book of Revelation specifically, is open to enormous and ongoing misinterpretation by every generation of Christian since it was written! You say you have the final word, that Israel's physical return to the global scene is crucial to the fulfillment of prophecy and yet thousands of learned, virtuous Christians before you obviously didn't think so.
are you arguing that we're no different now, with 6 billion people on earth, then when the earth only possessed a few hundred million people?
Quote:Who you talking to, AM? I never denied the presence of the occult nor the NWO agenda. I got no problem with your contention that Skull & Bones is an offshoot of the Thule-gesellschaft.
heres another thing that both you HK, and Kanemen deny, and that is the presence of the occult and their NWO agenda.
I am abundantly aware of the forces of evil that have been trying to enslave the world. I just don't see them succeeding or the world coming to an end within the next 7 years. The human race has just begun to figure things out, no way is God gonna pull the plug on the experiment now.
Quote:Is there some other HKCavalier on here that you have me mixed up with? I'm not afraid of the End of the World. I'm not even afraid of 'Slammo-fascists. I'm not even afraid that Bush is gonna suspend the constitution and turn our country into a fascist dictatorship (Well, actually, that last one I do get frightened about sometimes, but everyone has bad days). I just want all this crazy nonsense to come to an end, sooner rather than later.
maybe i should ask why youre afraid? is it because this pre-tribulation rapture is proving to be wishful thinking? is it because you support Bush, therefore you are you supporting the agenda of Mystery Babylon?
The forces of darkness, such as they are, have always envied the happy, the healthy and the well beloved; they've always tried to overpower us with force and fear and lies. And in the long run, they have always failed. People like you have been just as sure as you are right now that the world would come to an end, and it hasn't yet. I'm optimistic.
Evil is a kind of numbness that deprives people of their capacity for love and peace. It's a spiritual sickness. Some populations perish from this sickness, but it has never taken such hold over the entire world as to threaten the human race as a whole.
Just look at the United States. How many of us are actively engaged in the so-called War on Terror? Of that tiny percentage, how many people are actually determining policy, forging your New World Order? The vast, vast majority of human beings living within the borders of these United States are beyond their grasp.
Quote:You'll be happy to know, I've got nothing to do with those Christians.
brother id rather you know the truth, and change your ways and distance yourself from the Christians who think America is Gods chosen people, and will float away in the clouds safe and sound before all the rough stuff happens on earth; cause thats a lie!
To the extent I have an opinion on the matter, I believe the Church has been corrupted by Lucifer since the 1st Century. I understand that evil in human beings is a disease of the individual will, expressed as the desire to overcome the will of other beings--enslavement, mind-control, state power, etc.
As I understand it, the introduction of proselytism into Christian doctine was the Devil's work; Lucifer got in on the ground floor even before all the Gospels were finished
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i agree with a lot of what you say.. and i realize that my language is strong, and comes off abrasively a lot of the time; i apologize for that, and i suspect it does work against me.
before i became a believer, i stumbled upon the 9/11 conspiracy, and all the other lies that are perpetrated by the media and government. then i got into the elite, secret societies, the occult, the whole NWO agenda... and through all my research, eventually leading to the Bible, i gained my faith, and am now a hardcore believer. i feel as though this is physical proof of the conspiracy at work to establish the antichrists reign
about recent end times beliefs..i just feel that now the pieces of the puzzle fit better than they did. my recent revelation though is that America fits all the signs of prophetic Mystery Babylon. if this is so, that places us closer to the tribulation than any other possible culture or time period.
id like for you to check out this link, and tell me what you think. i encourage you to read through it http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/denemcgriff/in_search_of_babylo
n_ch6.htm
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Help me Antimason:
Who is this Antichrist? What's he gonna do (supposedly, since i am an atheist and don't think there is any such thing)? What are these signs you talk about? Sorry, but i don't really now much about Revelation stuff and all of the prophecies, except that he's supposed to be in power 7 years and rule the world. Other than that, i got nuthin'.
Sorry if you answered those earlier i just don't feel like reading the other posts, sorry.
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Ah, you crazy and very ill-informed. Thing's big as a football field and mathematically accurate down to inches. And these things happen in a matter of minutes and no one--no one--has ever caught your mexicans in the act. A couple guys with boards hoaxing could not pull this off.
what a load of bull
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Also, DT, you need to understand that the plants that have been bent have not been broken but continue to grow. Try that with a board tied to your leg.
Huh? I'm a farmer remember.
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Mexicans. You see, Antimason, people are devoted to their belief systems first. Any rational justification is just an afterthought to make their cherished beliefs sound good.
I knew the PC police would give me a hard time. Mexicans. Farm. they do, I've seen 'em do it. is it a sterotype, sure. Do I have anything against Mexicans? absolutely not. Viva Mexico, etc. I don't know what you're problem with Mexicans is that you don't think they're capable of this :)
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Originally posted by nanite1018:
Help me Antimason:
Who is this Antichrist? What's he gonna do (supposedly, since i am an atheist and don't think there is any such thing)? What are these signs you talk about? Sorry, but i don't really now much about Revelation stuff and all of the prophecies, except that he's supposed to be in power 7 years and rule the world. Other than that, i got nuthin'.
Sorry if you answered those earlier i just don't feel like reading the other posts, sorry.
the antiChrist is Lucifer manifest, just as Christ was God manifest. the system of the Beast, and Mystery Babylon, are the epitomy of Satans rule on earth, or the complete antithesis of Gods will.
that is the main point to grasp. im giving you this link because it explains better then i, what Satans goal was from the beginning of Mans creation.. just know that is the antiChrists goal aswell
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/judgment.html
the bible says "just as it was in the times of Noah; so too shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man(Jesus)". whats important is that in Noahs time, Satan, and the fallen angels had almost complete influence over the earth. this link better describes the scenario of the tribulation
http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/denemcgriff/in_search_of_babylo
n_intro.htm
i apologize if this seems like a cop-out, but i dont have my Bible in front of me to dig out all the verses regarding the antiChrist(and his various names)and the prophecies regarding the end times. its not a whole lot of reading, but its well worth it for the insights; and the thing is, no one knows for sure the prophecy..some have pieces to add that others dont, but the most important part is acknowledging the occult, and their NWO agenda..without which, the convential beliefs are misdirected and insufficient
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Ok, well that bit about man becoming gods: what's wrong with that? Why can't man be as great as God? God restrained human potential in the Tower of Babylon story. why? Because he was frightened by the power of mankind. So he splintered us. So in a Biblical sense, God didn't want to be faced with a united mankind because mankind would be so powerful.
Now i don't believe in all of that gose.
But it symbolises my feeling, to me humanity, science, technology, and reason matter. Humanity has the potential to become incredibly powerful, live forever, and never go extinct. That is essentially godhood. And mankind has a responsibility to spread life across the cosmos.
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Man becoming gods ...HA! [note the little g]
If man kind were ever able to become gods then we would have a whole lots of gods fighting over who was the best god and sooner or later one god would figure out how to make all the other gods disappear.....but if every one was a god then every one would already know every thing so we would know how to do anything...whow! boogles the mind dont it?
Theres goes that "leap of logic" of mine again....
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I've been through the system.
It dont work.
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