Joss Whedon: Moderate Humanist or Lefty Loon?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 18:47
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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:27 PM

Joss' point with the Operative was that evil people are still people, and as such, have the ability to learn and change.

Is that a wussy message?

Can the real terrorists of our real world be brought into a new way of thinking?
Or should we just kill the lot of 'em? And the lot that springs up after that?

Are we doing our best to end the threat of terror by trying to wipe it out violently, or are we ensuring it's perpetuality (is that a word...?) by choosing to ignore less direct methods?

And finally, is Joss' message of hope in Serenity misplaced? Should Mal have just killed the Operative for his transgressions? Would that have been more realistic? Would y'all have liked that better, assuming there was another way out of the situation with the Alliance guns drawn on our BDH's?

Curious Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:43 PM

Lefty loony. A right thinking fella would have made mal kill the operative with an air strike.

Stupid bloody hippy.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:46 PM

Silly, silly British man.

My new 'phrase' Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Silly, silly British man.

My new 'phrase' Chrisisall

Another stupid bloody hippy.

Spike: Oh, listen to Mary Poppins. He's got his crust all stiff and upper with that nancy-boy accent. You Englishmen are always so... Bloody hell! Sodding, blimey, shagging, knickers, bollocks, oh God! I'm English!

Giles: Welcome to the nancy tribe.

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DAYVE

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:14 PM

Hi Curious…
First of all, I want to tell you that I subscribe to the Secular Humanist way of thinking in large part. That is to say, that as humans, we must find it in each of us to preserve, and in some small part, enrich the lives of those around us. I know I’m going to come off sounding un-patriotic here, but I have often questioned this country or this government’s commitment to preserve all life. I often wonder what would happen if we could find a common ground with the people who disagree with us. Why must we convince others to think like us when their ideas are in such stark contrast to our own. Live and let live. Can’t that work?

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t defend ourselves against aggressors –but this constant threat of violence will only, IMHO, beget more violence. Sometimes it’s hard to turn the other cheek – but in the long run and in the interest of what is good for all humanity we should find a better way than simply annihilating those we perceive to be our enemies.

Then again, I’m just a Lefty Loon…..

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:18 PM

Chris

I think we all had it out on this issue before and I and others on the right said joss was right-libertarian, and lefties said left lib and we eventually settled on Center-Libertarian, which is probably accurate.

I think his message is that people are people and ideas are ideas, and sometimes ideas are evil, or have evil in them, and so people have to be able to recognize that, and the unquestioning follower of the idea can become an evil person if the idea is evil.

I think he's right. I actually spent a lot of time thinking about that.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:23 PM

Very spot-on, DT. I like the way you put that.
Yeah, we did something like this before, but thare be newbies among us!

Same ideas, new venue Chrisisall

DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:57 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Silly, silly British man.

My new 'phrase' Chrisisall
Another stupid bloody hippy.

Spike: Oh, listen to Mary Poppins. He's got his crust all stiff and upper with that nancy-boy accent. You Englishmen are always so... Bloody hell! Sodding, blimey, shagging, knickers, bollocks, oh God! I'm English!

Giles: Welcome to the nancy tribe.

While I have nothing really to contribute to this conversation (except for the fact that I think Mal shouldn't have killed the Operative; frankly it was more of a punishment to leave him alive), I do have a question. What episode is that quote in, Citizen? My colleagues probably thought I was going into a seizure due to my muffled laughing.

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CITIZEN

Wednesday, August 16, 2006 5:17 PM

Tabula Rasa
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0533493/

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:09 PM

Alright folks, I'm pullin' for:

Loonified Humanist, Moderately Lefty.

Should make a documentary on him using this title. A Browncoat Have Gun, Will Travel.

Like to add a Hippie statement, but the grand old Citizen seems to have a corner on that market.

That and I hate fightin' with Hippies, (Leaves a funny taste in your mouth when it comes down to bitin' and clawin'.)

Nothin' against Hippies, i just love and hate everyone equally.

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