Evolution Held Hostage

POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Monday, August 21, 2006 21:25
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ANTIMASON

Monday, August 14, 2006 7:54 PM

yah..it would be a shame for Americans to want ethical, moral and spiritual enlightenment and progress.

what we need is more technology! after all, science and technology will ultimately solve all the worlds problems!

we just need to invent a contraption which regulates the human mind, then we'll finally solve those fundemental issues that Man has struggled with for thousands of years, like peace, forgiveness and understanding....

HERO

Monday, August 14, 2006 8:11 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Manimal being a good show

It was a good show...no wait, the show sucked, but the little pins they gave out at Orange Julius that turned from Man to Manimal, that was cool, no wait...that sucked too, but I did enjoy the frosty beverage.

Edited to add: Come to think of it the Misfits of Science sucked too, but the twinkie inside my Misfits lunch box was really good. Havn't had a twinkie in years. Thats gonna change tonight. I think I've still got some left over from 1985, should be ok...

H

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 14, 2006 8:45 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
I think I've still got some left over from 1985

EEEeewwwwww.
Eat those and you really WILL need God...

Outdated Chrisisall

MISBEHAVEN

Monday, August 14, 2006 8:49 PM

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Originally posted by misbehaven:

In the United States, our ability to advance important areas of scientific research is too often held hostage by the beliefs of our own religious fundamentalists.

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Originally posted by Hero:

I admit I have been disappointed by this thread.

I really expected something along the lines of a Catholic Priest with a gun to a monkey's head shouting: "ONE MORE DISCOVERY AND THE MONKEY GETS IT!"

Instead you give us just another version of "repent or your going to hell." In this case its worship at the alter of science or you will be left behind.

Having a great deal of respect for our Constitution, I certainly respect your freedom of religious expression, even though I obviously don't share your views; however, I draw the line when religious people begin to impose their beliefs on others. Intelligent Design, which is just Creationism by another name, is not science. It has no business being taught in a science class, nor should Creationism influence scientific research. Intelligent Design/Creationism needs be taught in the appropriate setting: Sunday school, religion courses, philosophy classes etc. If you choose to believe in Creationism, then by all means continue to do so, but don't let your religious beliefs impede sceintific advancements for the rest of us. As Hunter S. Thompson once said, "Call on God, but row away from the rocks."

"The only thing will redeem mankind is cooperation."
- Bertrand Russell

CITIZEN

Monday, August 14, 2006 8:53 PM

If IDers want creationism in schools why not offer to have evolution taught in church? Just a thought.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KOFFEE

Monday, August 14, 2006 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Manimal being a good show

Hey, I liked Manimal. But then I was 10 at the time. I just watched cause I thought the lead guy was cute.

SEVENPERCENT

Monday, August 14, 2006 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:
yah..it would be a shame for Americans to want ethical, moral and spiritual enlightenment and progress.

Yeah. But where else are they going to get it? Religion? That's worked out real well for the human race so far, hasn't it? There are people on this planet actually trying to bring about armageddon in the name of God - then again, I suppose there is a type of 'enlightenment' when the nukes go off.

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what we need is more technology! after all, science and technology will ultimately solve all the worlds problems!

Apologies for the vulgarity, but pray in one hand, shit in the other and see which fills up first. Problems are solved by invention and people working for change, not by praying for miracles for the starving and sick. Science can't solve it all, neither can it comfort the spiritual needs of the people. Then again, I don't ever hear too many religious folk bitching every time science cures a disease or raises the lifespan of mankind. Next time you have a cold, or need a heart, or have cancer, remember that "you don't need more technology."

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we just need to invent a contraption which regulates the human mind, then we'll finally solve those fundemental issues that Man has struggled with for thousands of years, like peace, forgiveness and understanding....

You can invent plenty of contraptions which regulate the human mind, and you don't even need to touch the brain. Plenty of food for all...clean water in abundance for all...good educations for all...warm, safe housing for all. I bet, the day science can provide those things, you'll see a gargantuan stride towards solving those "fundamental issues."

You can be religious and believe in science. I've said it on this board in the past, and I'll say it again. It's the message- not the minutiae- of a religion that matters. Stop taking the Bible literally and actually live by its teachings, and you'll go a long way towards making the planet a better place.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Defending evolution, before 9-11 happened, was definatly one of my hot button issues. It still is. The sheer nonsense I've had to deal with while 'debating' a literal Young Earth Creationist (YEC) has left me less intelligent than had I never engaged them in the 1st place. They're THAT stupid. What's sad is that through my general interest in paleontology, I've gleaned more info on evolution than I was ever taught in H.S. or college. It's no wonder that so many in our population are left clueless over the topic.

Mark this down as a red-letter day. AURaptor, let me buy you a symbolic beer

on this, the day of our agreement. I've had that same conversation you speak of, and you're right - it's like someone sucking the brain cells directly out of your head.

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ANTIMASON

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:54 AM

my friend you are being hypocritical!

any person, who claims to be religious, yet attempts to bring on armegeddon, is a heretic, hypocrite, and blasphemer.

the Bible says that antiChristian forces bring on Armageddon

your right, technology is handy to cure diseases....that technology created to begin with. just like we need bigger and better weapons to help win wars for peace..?

technology has only suceeded in sidetracking us from growing spiritually, as God had intended

im sure youve all heard "eye for an eye"? Jesus says not to repay evil with evil, but to let God discipline the world. Jesus also says Love is the fullfillment of the law, encompassing all other doctrines since one who loves infinitely, does no harm.

given those standards, what ethical code are these destructive maniacs following?

could it be that they decide for themselves what is right or wrong? with God, we have universal rules we try to follow....without a God, you decide for yourself what is permissable

im not saying Man cant have a conscience without God, but if man never had such influences, would we ever have progressed beyond survival of the fittest?

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:10 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Holocaust never happened, the Lone Gunman was all it took, WMD's being an imminent threat, Manimal being a good show; people will always believe things that ain't true just 'cause it makes 'em feel better, that's all.

Forgiving Chrisisall

Well, 2 of those things are right. But now the real toughie....what about the of The Lone Gunmen ?

Mulder that one over for a bit.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KANEMAN

Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by antimason:
yah..it would be a shame for Americans to want ethical, moral and spiritual enlightenment and progress.

what we need is more technology! after all, science and technology will ultimately solve all the worlds problems!

Ps.

we just need to invent a contraption which regulates the human mind, then we'll finally solve those fundemental issues that Man has struggled with for thousands of years, like peace, forgiveness and understanding....

Not all of the worlds problems. But it does get me to work faster, allows me to be way less productive while there (dick-in around on the Internet), and still catch up by the end of the day...Solved all my problems.

PS, we will continue to struggle with those issues for thousands of more years.. We are not fully EVOLVED...Proof? My grandmother looks like a monkey.

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