The Long Emergency (please read)
POSTED BY: fredgiblet
UPDATED: Monday, August 14, 2006 22:52
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I find the article far too optimistic. One of the things I learned from Collapse is that when societies at the height of their technical prowess fail, they fail quickly and utterly because they stripped their environment of "easy" resources and their populations are far too large to support in any other fashion.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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I probably shouldnt have said it belonged in RWED, oh well.
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
FREDGIBLET, the powers that be won't be happy until they have 9/10 of the civilized world walking to a street corner to catch a bus because they can't afford the price of fuel to put in their cars. Nope that will be only for the rich.
Now that the pricetag on the worlds automotive power source is going up all things connected to it will. Which means the price of everything. I can see a time when all we do is go to work ( by way of a bus trip) and come home from work. I'm going to stop here.... because it's better that I do
One last thing. I'm not surprised by todays news headlines. The Evil in the world is getting worse.
Z
Coke 10 cents..Gas 65 cents. Truth the price of soda has gone up faster than that of gas. So has movie admission and a lot of other things. Difference? A movie is still a movie....A soda is still a soda...We get better gas mileage for the buck........Look it up....
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Originally posted by kaneman:
A movie is still a movie....A soda is still a soda...
And neither of them are required for our lives to function...at all. The price of a movie is unimportant in this arguement because movies are luxuries. Oil is not a luxury, everything around you has been affected by oil at some point, food requires oil to grow (fertilizers) and be harvested (farm equipment), medical supplies require oil both for production (pharmaceuticals) and in their composition (plastics). Without oil we are going to be in serious trouble.
I have heard rumors of a new "super-fuel", Helium-3 I think it was, which is in abundant supply...on the far side of the moon. Even assuming it lives up to the hype, it can only provide electricity, not plastics. Our entire world is based on oil, when oil runs out our economies will collapse unless take drastic steps. The world as a whole and America in particular need to adapt to survive, and from what I know of the average American, they would rather ignore than adapt.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
...We get better gas mileage for the buck........
When it was running my 1970 El Camino got around 18 mpg (if I was careful), my dad's truck, a 2003 Dodge Dakota? 20 mpg.
There is a difference between being able to get better fuel efficiency, and being willing. While the tide seems to be swinging against gas-guzzling monstrosities there are still far to many people who don't seem to understand that the choices they make affect far more than their percieved status among the other suburbanites.
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i used to be a proponant of that theory..but ive since changed my mind.
i would argue that it is an artificial scarcity issue, and that the oil industry is in collaboration, along with the international banking institutions.
the oil companies dont have the motive to explore and excavate new oil, because as it is they determine, and intentionally manipulate prices. whos to know for sure how much oil is down there; but that no matter what the oil industry will do what is in its best interest to continue record profits.
almost like this whole issue of corroded pipelines in Alaska; werent we just hearing of record setting profits? yet they are not re-investing properly to insure stability, so something bad happens and poof! prices go up!
i think the whole situation is highly suspect. not that i dont want alternative energies to become common place, but i see this as a clever tactic to tax people as much as neccessary, meanwhile providing glimpses of this mirage in the desert of energy independance.
i know i run the risk of being the token conspiracy theorist, but thats my opinion based on my research into the NWO field. i hunted down this clip that further explains this view
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/120405peakoilscam.htm
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Antimason
While I don't disagree with you on the possibility of any particular point, oil is still a finite resource and our economy is still completely and utterly under it's sway. So whether the scarcity is artificial or natural, the consequences are the same.
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Oods
No, I long for that too. Lets all become amish and see if it takes
We are The Forsaken - We aim to burn! and we don't need no stinkin levels!
one of the Forsaken TM
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It's not the lack of fuel that's gonna hit us hardest, it's the lack of plastic.
Almost all plastics are petrol-base, and our society is practically built upon them, a serious threat most people do not see.
My personal vehicle, mind you, gets between 150-180 miles per gallon depending on conditions, which leads me to endless amusement as I pump a buck into it beside some fool in an SUV pumping $75.00USD into his tank.
It's a three-wheel custom Tomos-Pryor trike with cargo bed, built around a 1994 Tomos Sprint.
Fuel cost doesn't get me at the pump, it gets me at the supermarket, since increased fuel costs get stacked onto any good that is shipped by road or rail... so in spite any attempt I make to dodge the bullet, it still hits me - twice and thrice because I used to drive a cab for a livin, but gas prices are driving the smaller operators like me right out of the business.
-Frem
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