Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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oldenglanddry wrote:
Thursday, August 10, 2006 05:19
Another non-existant "plot" by non-existant "terrorists" to blow up Airliners with baby milk has been "foiled" by our magnificent security services.
21 people have been arrested in the UK in connection with the terror plot. I wonder how many of these 21 will actually be charged with an offence.
The Uk's airports are now in a state of utter confusion and chaos because liquid explosives (do such things realy exist?) might be used to blow up planes in mid flight.
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.
Coincidentely, the Isreali offensive into Lebanon has suddenly become un-newsworthy.
Are we realy this stupid?
Are you really this naive and cynical? Just how many times have you seen V for Vendetta ?? Would you prefer the bombs have gone off, and several airliners full of men,women and children be blown to bits and the pieces scattered across the Atlantic like flakes of human flaoved fish food ? But if/when that happens, you'll be quick to BLAME the very same authorities who stopped this attack for not catching the terrorist. And you'd problably blame Bush and Blair for making the terrorist mad enough in the 1st place to even pull such an attack off in the 1st place.
You're pathetic. You really are.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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"Naive and cynical?" 
You wanna maybe try that again? lol
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Why is the government's EVERY response to any incident to remove even more freedoms?
USPATRIOT Act, no fly lists and personal searches, wire taps and other illegal domestic spying coupled to massive data bases, monitoring billions of bank transactions, special categories of people outside of legal protection, et cetera.
And what have these Stalinist programs gotten the US in terms of security? Nothing. The US can't point to one single instance where all their spying actually netted anyone dangerous.
The security issues do have effective 'point of use' technological fixes - like explosive-sniffing entry gates. Simplest things first - Have the physical borders been secured? No. Checked luggage X-rayed and sniffed? No. Temporary airport workers screened? Port cargo containers checked for radiation? In fact, ANY attempt to standardize port security across the country? Chemical plants secured? No. No. No. And no. No across the board on any effective measures available.
So let's see - elections coming up ... street people down in Florida are going to blow up Sears Tower ! nitwits in NYC going to flood Manhattan ! And now this !
Whether or not this turns out to have been a real threat, it will be used to keep people off-balance and unquestioning about why the government needs to be more intrusive but completely ineffective at the same time.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
"Naive and cynical?"
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Nope, no need to try again. Got it right the first time.
Naive for those who think such terrorist attacks can't happen, or that folks aren't motivated to do such destruction. How many more examples does it take before you GET it ?
Cynical for those who think that every time a plot is discovered or that a nation tries to fight back against the terrorist, there MUST be something ulterior, sinister going on here.
You literally can't handle the truth. And because of that, you must invent an entirely new foe, while ignoring the one which has openly vowed to kill you and destroy your culture.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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So Rue, doesn't it get you to thinking about the admin.'s push to war on the pretext of WMD and then sending our troups in without anything respembling adequate protection against chemical and biological weapons? What does it suggest to you when our government does absolutely nothing--nothing--substantive to make our homeland any more seccure than it was 5 years ago?
Any threat of terror which exists today, existed 5 years ago and yet our government acts as if none of this stuff existed prior to them noticing it. How many more times will we hear "No one could have predicted..." before we, as a nation, call b.s. on the lying sacks of 
? It's all so freakin' Louis XIV!
On the other hand, there's an argument to be made that it really is all a matter of incompetence. All of this could be a consequence of reflexive ass-coverage by mediocre minds trying to come off as powerful and decisive. God help us all!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terror_plot_a
nalysis_3
Analysis: Plot feeds political frenzy
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
Cheney said Lieberman's loss might encourage "the al-Qaida types" who want to "break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task."
As Cheney made those comments, the administration was aware of the plot unfolding in Britain but waited for a signal from the British government before moving forward with the public alert.
-Could this be why people are skeptical?
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And they'll keep saying if they don't do those things the terrorists win.
Bottom line though,
if the public falls for it, AGAIN, and lets our government continue to strip us of any semblance of freedom, the terrorists have won.
Maybe there's method to the madness though. If the terrorists "Hate us for our freedoms,"and we get rid of all our freedoms, then maybe they'll leave us alone. Clever Bush administration, very clever.
Because we sure as hell know that confiscating shit at the airport is not going to solve a goddamned thing. Even if this attack was real, it was caught with good intelligence, not with wiretapping of the Raging Grannies, not with nonsense fear tactics.
What will everybody say when we get hit anyway, In-spite of all of our illegal stripping of American Rights? "SEE, we still have too many?"
Because we will get hit. Al Queda has time to probe for the holes in our security, which are legion. Will the sacrifice still have been worth it?
I don't want to get hit anymore than the next guy. Neither do the New Yorkers, who I'm sure have no illusions that lightning doesn't strike twice. But we don't want the illusion of safety. We want the real thing, but not at the cost of everything this country is supposed to be about.
If we trade that, then we've got nothing left to defend - nothing left to fight for - nothing to flag wave about - so stop waving it if you don't really support it already.
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HK
Quote:This is not the thoughful reply you deserve, I need to get back to work. But now I've got that little jingle stuck in my head:
the lying sacks of
You're a lying sack of crap, You're a lying sack of crap, You're a lying, stinking, squishy smelly, Sack of liquid crap!
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Quote:Um, you made these people up. Do you honestly believe that OED, or I--or anyone on this board!--believe that terrorist attacks can't happen? Why would you ever think such a thing? And better yet, why would you bother even replying if that were the case?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Naive for those who think such terrorist attacks can't happen, or that folks aren't motivated to do such destruction.
Quote:And you made these people up too.
Cynical for those who think that every time a plot is discovered or that a nation tries to fight back against the terrorist, there MUST be something ulterior, sinister going on here.
This is a favorite neo-con method of misrepresenting their opposition. People don't hate the Administration for a long list of specific reasons, oh-no, they just hate Bush arbitrarily. People don't suspect the government of wrong doing because the government has in their view behaved in an untrustworthy fashion, but because they simply don't trust the government outright.
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You literally can't handle the truth. And because of that, you must invent an entirely new foe, while ignoring the one which has openly vowed to kill you and destroy your culture.
AU, why do you think that is? Why do you think I can't handle the truth? And how is it that you can?
No one has to invent the idea of government corruption and no one is advocating that our govermnent simply ignore the threat of terrorism. When you argue your point like this, I don't get the impression that you're remotely interested in legitimate debate or rational discussion.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:And you made these people up too.
Cynical for those who think that every time a plot is discovered or that a nation tries to fight back against the terrorist, there MUST be something ulterior, sinister going on here.
This is a favorite neo-con method of misrepresenting their opposition. People don't hate the Administration for a long list of specific reasons, oh-no, they just hate Bush arbitrarily. People don't suspect the government of wrong doing because the government has in their view behaved in an untrustworthy fashion, but because they simply don't trust the government outright.
One of the fallacies, I think. Straw Man.
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