Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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Ah, the tin foil hat. So glittery and pretty...
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Flying out to the US in two weeks, I hope they relax the restrictions a bit by then, don't like the idea of an 8 hour flight without anything to do or read.
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The tin foil hat suits you. Did you get it from ConspiracyBarn?
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Are you saying that such a responce is not indicative of being hurts, sad and/or angry?
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Or would it just be another excuse to rant our opinions, and criticize the government?
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Indicative of being hurt, sad and or angry? absolutely. Attacking & criticizing the government though? That would be misdirected. You don't get mad at the police for not stopping the bad guy from pulling the trigger. You get mad at the bad guy. After all....he pulled the trigger.
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Problem with your philosophy StillShiny is that it is often exactly what certain powers bank on.
"Election Fraud? ridiculous"
"Government collusion in 911? Traitorous to even think!"
etc. etc.
Don't just refuse to believe things based on your gut, or on the ever popular "common sense." Just because something sounds outlandish, doesn't make it impossible. It's your job to police your government, and you can't do that if you strike possibilities out of hand. You should always entertain the worst.
That doesn't mean you believe it, it just means that you are keeping an open mind as to its potential. I can imagine that if somebody had told a German during World War II that they were gassing Jews, he would have said that person was crazy.
Bad theories come out of bad information. It could very well be that those of us who distrust the government are wrong for our suppositions, but our distrust is based upon the very little we do know, and the vast ammount that is constantly being kept from us that could allay alot of our doubt.
The way these cases come up...the way Bush came out on tv and said they'd foiled some attacks when the nsa wiretapping scandal hit the news, is all just too convenient to be convincing(though I"ll add, possible). The lack of information that the administration has provided into these cases has not helped to earn our trust. We are not supposed to blindingly support our government. We after all, are the government, and need at least, the very basic hard evidence to do our jobs as citizens.
Nor has this administration's use of terror alerts, many of which could not be adequately explained,helped me to trust them.
Nor has the timing of Bin Laden tapes.
Nor has the way they igonred intelligenc on Bin Laden, or how they flew out the Bin Laden family when all other flights were supspended...etc.
While I am certainly skeptical of this last foiled plot, I do not take it lightly. As Sygm said, we are hated more than ever now. I agree with Bush(who has told us time and again how much safer we are), "there will be another attack. It's just a matter of when." and I hold him and the enabling GOP (and DLC) greatly responsible for the energy they have infused into Al Quaida, and the sympathizing they have fueld throughout the world.
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No, the problem is not that a possible terrorist attack was thwarted, the problem is how it's handled and the timing of the press release. I think OED was pretty clear.
In typical hysterical fashion, all liquids have been banned from U.S. flights. First of all it's shutting the barn door after the cows have run off. Secondly, "the terrorists" would have to be pretty dumb not to know that our government would do exactly what it's done. I assure you, "the terrorists" don't have a bunch of explosive baby bottles in reserve in case it doesn't work the first time. No, banning all liquids from our planes can now only be a symbolic act. But symbolic of what, exactly? That our government will rashly infringe upon the privacy of its citizens on any pretext as long as it looks like the people will accept it?
And actually, it's the folks who passively accept our goverment's hysterical abuses of personal privacy at every turn that "help the terrorists" by turning what has actually been a legitimate beacon of liberty in the world, more and more each day into a morally bankrupt police state.
Yes, liquid explosives have been around a good long while, and as Hero so helpfully pointed out, they've been used in exactly this way in the past. So why are we only now banning all liquids from our planes? Only a fool honestly believes the government does this to curb a threat (unless the threat we're talking about is the threat of the people kicking these incompetent power-fetishists to the curb and getting on with our lives).
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HK:
You're not listening to 'Hero'! Don't you understand, are you that naive? WE NEED to phone tap everyone everywhere, we can't be allowed privacy because we can't be trusted, don't you see? 
We're children, evil terrorist children, all of us, especially Liberals, give us an inch and next we'll be voting.
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Huh - why did this dbl post?
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Did you know that there are gates one can walk through - similar to metal detectors - that can sniff explosives? Did you know the US STILL doesn't screen checked baggage - at all?
Yep. All those illegal wire taps,
and pen-registers, and trap-and-traces,
massive data bases,
the USPATRIOT Act,
Afghanisan (where is ObL ?) and Iraq,
- they've really worked. 
Feel safer now?
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Only a fool honestly believes the government does this to curb a threat (unless the threat we're talking about is the threat of the people kicking these incompetent power-fetishists to the curb and getting on with our lives).
Then the Government must be doing this because they want to sell all of the confiscated products to needy Russians on the Black Market to further their GWT.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Quote:BDN, I usually understand the thrust of your quips, but this one baffles me. What?
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Then the Government must be doing this because they want to sell all of the confiscated products to needy Russians on the Black Market to further their GWT.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
Liquid explosives pose no greater threat today than they did yesterday--and arguably less. What is the point of banning all liquids from U.S. flights except to manipulate the public into thinking the government is "doing something?"
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