Are we realy this gullible?
POSTED BY: oldenglanddry
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 01:53
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My vote's for yes.
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No, we're not - they only wish to hell we were.
And once again, yon ringleader of this merry band of coulda-woulda-shoulda terroristas is what ?
Why none other than our old friend and listed intelligence asset Ramzi Youssef.
You know, the guy who wanted to bomb the WTC in 1993, but couldn't seem to get his hands on any real explosives, which were then provided by the FBI during a botched sting operation, which then caused a REAL bombing ?
Emad Salem (unknown if he is involved in this latest go-round) a paid FBI informant, even offered to sabotage Ramzi's bomb so that it would NOT go off, but was told by the case supervisor not to do so.
Why is it that these "plots" always seem to be formulated (and mostly in half-ass ways that never would have worked) by intel assets and plants ?
I can understand them wasting resources on puff-pieces to drive up the fear ratio and benefit them politically, but what frightens me more is that one day these plants are gonna give the bad guys a GOOD idea and the ability to carry it out.
WTC 1993 was a damn near thing, and if it weren't for the FBI providing real explosives so they'd have a 'real' bust, it never would have happened.
And why is ole Ramzi *still* listed as an intelligence asset after successfully bombing us on our own turf ?
Pumping up these bogus terrorism busts is going to bite us on the ass again like it did in 1993, only, next time it's probably going to get worse.
This is like a cop buying some guy drinks so he can bust him for drunk driving - what then happens if the guy leaves while the cop is taking a leak, and causes a 3-car, 2-fatality pileup ?
The gravest threat to our national security....
is our National Security.
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My vote is for yes, but...
We shouldn't be too quick to dismiss the probability of a successful terrorist attack. A lot of people in the world truly hate us... more than ever before. Some place, some day, somebody will get thru and set off an attack as destructive as the WTC or the Madrid train attacks or the the London subway attacks and it will set off political repercussions that will be impossible to corral if "the left" has a reputation for pointing and gibing.
So, yes people are often that gullible, but my response is not that "terrorist threats" are faked/ exaggerated - it is s true, serious threat- but that this is an example of how Bush and Bliar have failed because we are not more secure than before.
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Just i just piont out for the record.
No choas or confusion. Just people being annoyed. Thats all. The informations getting out, people are understanding, and where just a little hacked off.
Come on in the past 100 years we've survived German Bomb Raids (twice), the IRA (who sometimes warned us when they were going to strike...) and the recent Underground suicide bombings. We just keep moving on. No need to throw our arms up in panic.
Besides. Airports are usually choas, and this sort of thing (airports closing and grounding to a halt) has happened before (on a small scale, granted). Were organised and theres plans of actions.
UK = A OK!
(well, if they could change the PM, it might help.
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Siggy,
I definitely agree. There are real people out there with real plots and real weapons aiming to kill lots of real people. And eventually they will succeed at some level, large or small. (My nightmare scenario is a dirty bomb.)
B & B have made the world less secure politically - by radicalizing moderate Muslims with their actions; less secure internationally - by alienating allies and torpedoing int'l police cooperation; and less secure procedurally - Bush by failing to secure the US borders. (see my posting from government computing news)
What is FAR worse, B & B have politicized security issues. Remember the melon-shade-of orange pronouncements, where threat alerts were timed to political events? People are cynical about terrorist plots b/c of B & B's cynical manipulations.
But you're right. It's counter productive to point and jibe. The opposition should instead be raising hell about the documented lack of security a full 5 years after 9/11.
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I stay out of these political / real world forums. But as a human being I feel the need to say something about what happened today.
All I can say is this. I am thankful. Thankful that 1 terrorist plot was stopped. Can we really afford to live so paranoid?
I refuse to live thinking there's a terrorist behind every tree.
But I also refuse to live believing that the government is "pretending" there are terrorists behind every tree as well.
if you live that way, you still believe there are terrorists, only now they are "the government." No thank you.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where the news & sensational journalism feed the appetites of those who want to live either in fear of terrorists, or in distrust of their government.
I'm not promoting being ignorant of what's going on, but I can't be paralyzed by such fear & distrust.
The truth is that something happened. Or more importantly, something didn't happen.
A very possible terrorist plot was stopped.
Had it not been stopped, had we been minding our own business, typing away in our little chat rooms, and suddenly we hear or read, that several planes full of innocent people were blown out of the sky, by possible terrorist bombers, would we be shocked, would we be sad, upset, hurt, or angry?
Or would it just be another excuse to rant our opinions, and criticize the government?
If it's the latter....what's wrong with us?
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Quote:Are you saying that such a responce is not indicative of being hurts, sad and/or angry?
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Or would it just be another excuse to rant our opinions, and criticize the government?
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I'm keeping an open mind on this one. See what evidence they come up with over the next few weeks and months. If it turns out like that raid in London a few weeks ago then I expect there will be a looooot of very angry voters in the UK.
I've said this already on another thread but ANYONE TRAVELLING INTO OR OUT OF THE UK OR US is going to be delayed. And there are loads of restrictions on hand luggage. Be aware! Expect a long wait!
As for this distracting people from Lebanon - Yes, I too noticed how the war suddently seemed to end today. Or at least according to the media it did, since there's not a peep about it on any TV station. But that's not down to any government - that's the media themselves. They find something that'll grab people's attention and they stick with it. The horrible truth is that the conflict in Lebanon is old news now - it's been going on for a while - and this story is new and exciting. It's up to us to demand informed news covering global events and not just the latest big thing that hits close to home.
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Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.
I've noticed lately that the only thing that's going to convince some people is if the government would just let these attacks happen.
Sure, there'd be no end of the people like you asking "how could you just let this happen?" But at least you'd admit that the threat was real...its hard to argue against a smoking pile of World Trade Center or a bunch of dead London commuters.
The gist of your argument seems to be:
If you stop the terrorists, you are wrong, if you don't stop them, you are wrong.
I think this might be a hint to which side your really on, even if you don't realize it yourself, since the only folk you don't seem to have a problem with are the folk putting the Nitro in the baby formula to sneak it onto the planes.
And to answer one question you asked, liquid explosives have been around for a long time. For example, Dynamite is made by mixing Nitrogylcerin with sawdust...
You might recall Pan Am Flight 103 blown up over Lockerbe, Scotland in 1988. Terrorist used 12-16oz of liquid explosives placed in checked luggage to blow the plane up. 270 people from 21 countries including 11 on the ground in Scotland were killed.
I was thinking that it would be really great if the NSA's Terrorist Surveilance Program listened in on a conversation involving these folk and some unnamed US citizen and that was the big break that saved thousands of lives...but it probably was a super-secret British program that the US media would happily tell us every detail of so that they can help the terrorists learn from their mistakes.
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So you think this was fabricated because someone high up wants us to forget about Israel vs. Lebanon. Are you wearing your tin foil hat right now?
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