When people hate a series because of an actor.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Monday, August 7, 2006 04:12
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MIMA

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:23 PM

chrisisall, i love you so! do you *live* here? you respond with freakish lightning fingers... and i bet *you* did real well on those dti quizzes!

i'm not out to turn people against him. if you want to discover his crappiness, small effort will reveal it.

CHRISISALL

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by mima:

if you want to discover his crappiness, small effort will reveal it.

I just looked; a guy in England squirted him in the face and Tom called him a jerk. He asked the mother of his child to be quiet during birth. He believes in a quirky religion.
Sounds pretty average to me....

Quirky Chrisisall

22CLAWS

Friday, August 4, 2006 6:06 PM

I love Sarah. This thread really brought down my day.

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OPPYH

Monday, August 7, 2006 12:50 AM

Chrisisall,
I think you are exactly right about the chemistry thing. My friends got me in to Dark Angel, so I thought I'd return the favor, and get them hooked on Buffy. They have since told me it's not only SMG, it's also the vibe of the show. What they refer to as "dumb monsters" and such just turned them off to it. I still think they are missing some of the best story arcs in tv history, but again, its just my opinion. Well, at least they like Firefly.

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 7, 2006 1:59 AM

Hit your friends with Amends, or Fool For Love.
See if that don't turn 'em around a little.

Chrisisall

FREDGIBLET

Monday, August 7, 2006 2:33 AM

I never watched Buffy when it was on because the advertising made it seem like a show for women (and I was a 13-year old male). My less-than-great opinion of SMG was formed by my knee-jerk reaction to Buffy (I haven't really seen her in any other shows\movies). I recently started watching Buffy after my introduction to the Jossverse and I have this to say:

SMG is not a great actress but she can do the job, and can be very convincing in emotional moments (see Season 2). I have seen many worse actresses get higher praise. The show (Buffy) started out somewhat poor, but in Season 2 (starting with Surprise) picks up immensely, to the point where the second half of Season 2 IMHO can challenge or even beat Firefly (*dons flame-retardant clothes*). I have no intention of watching anything simply because it has SMG, but I will not be avoiding them either.

DEEPGIRL187

Monday, August 7, 2006 3:21 AM

I wouldn't say season 2 of Buffy actually beats out Firefly, but it certainly was exciting. My opinion of SMG has never been very high, but there were a few scenes in that particular season that she really shined in.

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KWICKO

Monday, August 7, 2006 3:36 AM

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Hmm. Honestly, there are very few actors I dislike, but even then I am forced to admit they have good films/shows now and them. I hate Tom Cruise. I hated him way before it was populer, too. But he makes a great Lestat, no? And, to mention another recently unpopular actor, I have never cared for Mel Gibson. But Braveheart is good.

Ditto. Tom Cruise has gotten to the point, with me at least, that I can never see him as his on-screen character. No matter what role he's playing, he walks on screen, and I say, "Oh look - it's Tom Cruise." I actually kinda liked him in Risky Business, and I thought he did a great job in Born On The Fourth Of July and in Rain Man, so I'll readily admit that there are some good roles he's played... but any more, I just see Tom Cruise, not his character. I think it started with those horrible Mission: Impossible movies, and just ballooned from there.

Harrison Ford is the same way for me. I loved him as Han Solo, of course, and as Rick Deckard in Blade Runner, but then I realized that Ridley Scott was the real genius behind that movie. Making it a film noir made Ford's wooden acting style actually work[i/]. [Deadpan monotone voiceover] "I knew the lingo. Every good cop did." :)

I loved Mel Gibson in Payback, but I'm probably one of about seven people who ever saw it. I thought it did a pretty good job of sticking close to the spirit (if not the actual word) of Richard Stark's (aka Donald E. Westlake's) original pulp novel.

As with many, I just couldn't get past SMG on Buffy. I avoided it for years and years. Then finally something happened: I was bored, I was home in the middle of the day, and I watched a couple episodes on FX or TNT in the summer of '05. What struck me wasn't SMG's acting abilities; I was still referring to her as "ratface" at the time. What struck a chord in me was the rest of the cast, and most of all, the writing. Before I knew it, I was hooked, and could even look forward to SMG's "Buffy-ness". :)

Mike

Remember, Kiddies, you can't spell "QUAGMIRE" without "I", "R", "A", & "Q"!

MSCKAREN

Monday, August 7, 2006 3:54 AM

I suggest you tell your friends that SMG gets her butt kicked often in the series - perhaps that would entice them. Along, with assurances that it is really an ensemble crew with many talented alternatives to enjoy.

I started disliking the Buffy character around season 5 - OMG, what a whiner! And SMG always came off as a bit full of herself which didn't endear her to me, either. However, I fell in love with Willow, Giles, Xander and Spike to such a degree that Buffy was just an excuse to learn more about them.

Unwarranted egotism is a big problem for me when it comes to actors. The best of the bunch tend to be humble - at least in public. The no-talents (like Steven Segal) are often the ones bragging about their "box office" and such.

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WHITEFALL

Monday, August 7, 2006 4:12 AM

On the whiner in season 5+ I have this to say: if you've ever seen anyone be depressed, season 6 and 7 was basically that for buffy.

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She came back from heaven, for one. And ultimately, buffy is the leader, buffy is the one with the powers, and that's one big bad metaphor for responsibility. See Angel season 5, buffy season 7 was basically that, Buffy still pissed at life cause it sucks, but stepping up and being a leader the only way she knows how. Is she a pain in the ass with the speeches, yes. Even joss called her on that through multiple characters. But I think it's a sort of flawed character thing, like when faith takes over the gang of potentials for a bit, it's because they are sick of buffy, cause she aint a great leader, but she has the experience by that point that no one else has. Ultimately, by season 7, because everyone else was getting so badass (willow, spike, giles, hell even xander in his incorporated way) buffy sorta becomes what she was created not to be: the bimbo with the powers. I think it's a good issue.

As for how SMG plays it... I think she does well in it, though a lot of it is the writing.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

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