Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.

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FIZZIX

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by pinballwizard:
Urg, now we have Serenity 2: In Search of Wash. That's the last thing i'd wish on anyone. Unless, they tie it in with finding out Books past, cause therre's no way he's coming back.

No, I am not insane, I am crazy. Thank you for asking.

Star Trek III: Search for Spock. Except with less of the Vulcan katra-transferrence issues. And less of the blowing up of planets, and less of the total angst of "YOU KILLED MY SON!"
Yeah. I'm just really not seeing Wash as alive. In the Serenity Visual companion, there's a pretty graphic image of what they wanted. Also, has noone consider this: They would have to remove the giant telephone-pole-sized-spike from not only Wash, but the seat and Serenity herself.

I'd like to believe Wash is alive, and that's not only because of the guy on the old official Browncoat board with that name. (Ah, we had so much fun in the old chatroom. Universal, this taking down of the site had to be a fault.) But like I can't bring myself to believe in a God, I just can't quite ged my head around all the "if"s and "then"s and "it's possible"s.

Later, there will be a way for me to figure out how to get an image of the Wash is impaled scene up. And with that will come more arguments.

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May not be smart, and it may not please you, but you're definitely gonna see what I have to say.

FIZZIX

Monday, July 31, 2006 2:45 PM

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Originally posted by Eso:
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The memorial thing is wrong too. Sure Book's body might not be there, but we know darn sure Mr. Universe didn't up and leave. At the very least they probably burried his buffy bot if the Reavers somehow ate him. So, there were bodies to be burried. Besides I think they probably did bring Book's body onboard all Tracy style.

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Ok.. First of all .. there were bodies there. No one ate Mr Universe or his wife-bot.. or Mal couldnt have gotten back to the same hallway where everyone was layed up hurtin'. Secondly they did't bring Book's body with em Tracy style.
In the bloopers reel, Mal telling the crew after getting his big damned idea from Operative. The words were,"Zoe, you and Simon get these bodies
together."
"We got time for grave diggin cap'n?"

"Youre gunna rope em together, five or six right across the nose of the ship. Put Book front and center, he's our friend we should honor him"

"Jayne try not to steal all thier $hit. Kaylee?, go find that kid takin a dirtnap with the baby jesus, we need a hood ornament"

I believe that is a close rendition. Anyway Book came along for the ride on the nose of Serenity. Course, the only thing left of the preacher were his skinny bones, but that is beside the matter.

Let's make this clear, it's a blooper. He ran with it, because it was funny. It isn't in the script. It didn't happen. We don't know whose bodies they so ingraciously but needfully stole.

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In the Pilot.. the EMP was NOT discussed. It was a magnetic grappel.

In the script, it's "an electronic pulse."
Close enough for us to guess that they mean EMP.

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ENGINEANGEL

Monday, July 31, 2006 3:09 PM

I'd just like to point out that in the original script of Serenity, Wash didn't die. So if joss was planning for two more movies as well, and he let wash have a spike (or whatever people are calling it) poked through him, he must have had some plan to keep everything moving. I still think wash is either alive or will come back to the story (and not in just flashbacks) but i made my point and opinion way above in the mass of answers in this thread, so just wanted to add this and it'll be my last word here.

JAMAICANBATMAN

Monday, July 31, 2006 3:41 PM

way to go! A possible way for Wash to come back! But if this doesn't happen now im comin for you!

HANS

Monday, July 31, 2006 3:58 PM

In my mind Wash is absolutely, inarguably dead.

He is dead in a dramatic sense because it would be extremely cheap and phoney for him to have a miraculous recovery. I would never trust Joss again if he brought Wash back to life.

He is dead in a medical sense because HE HAD A SPIKE THE THICKNESS OF MY ARM SLAMMED THOUGH HIS CHEST!!!! How can anyone believe he lived through that?

Some have argued that the ship that fired the EMP was an Alliance ship, and thus they were first on the scene. I don't believe it, but even if it was we know that the ships that fired the spikes were definitely Reavers. We saw Reaver ships floating behind Serenity, and after the crew took off to the Black Room the first group to follow them was...Reavers. I hardly believe that they would be performing emergency surgery on Wash.

GRRRARG

Monday, July 31, 2006 9:03 PM

Well, as far as I know - no one has raised a meta-argument about Wash. Not plot holes or clues, but the fact that this is a Joss Whedon production.
So, 2 things.

a. Its hard to stay dead in a Joss Whedon show. Now sure, this isnt Buffy, there isnt any 'most powerful Wiccan in North America' to zap anyone back to life (I still wince at the thought of that line), but we know the tech exists to take all the organs out of a person and then put new ones in and he's walking and talking and trying to get some with Kaylee. Its the ol' Arthur C. Clark quote "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
b. Sad to say it, but Whedon isnt above pandering to his demographic - Willow,once again - is magically changed into a pagan lesbian without any prior plot notification. Pandering to two major demographics. Firefly fans cant seem to wrap their heads around the basic idea that people die - even the ones who dont deserve it. I think its damned ballsy to kill off two main characters - adds realism - but theres enough flak from the fan base that Wash might just pull a Buffy and shuffle back to the mortal coil.
Bah.

FIZZIX

Monday, July 31, 2006 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by GrrrArg:
I think its damned ballsy to kill off two main characters - adds realism - but theres enough flak from the fan base that Wash might just pull a Buffy and shuffle back to the mortal coil.
Bah.

Um, maybe not the thread, but Book never felt like a major character to me.

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ARAMINA

Sunday, October 8, 2006 3:09 PM

This is a very interesting thread. While I agree with those who think the theory it is discussing is far-fetched, I see nothing wrong with developing such a theory.

I'm writing a Masters thesis on the death of Wash and the effects it had on the fans. Something I will be particularly looking at are the ways that fans responded to the death; studying the ways fans express their feelings being an important factor.

What would be interesting to me is knowing why PastorBadger took the time to write out his theory and reply to the responses to it, and why everyone else has contributed to this thread.

If you would like to tell me your own experiences of discussing Wash's death, please do respond to this post or drop me an e-mail.

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

HOPERULES

Sunday, October 8, 2006 4:01 PM

An entertianing theory. Could be in the sequal, the next comic book, or the forthcoming novel, if they ever happen.

PASTORBADGER

Monday, October 9, 2006 4:35 PM

Your address and e-mail are apparently deleted by the server.

Any study on the effect Wash's (apparent) death might have had on Firefly fans would be incomplete without a complete understanding of the fan culture in general. Something almost exclusive to the science fiction genre, and lop-sidedly American. (After all, Tom Baker (Dr. Who) once told me he could at least go to the park in England.)

It's fertile ground, but isn't the scope a little large for a thesis? After all, the reaction to Wash's death is hardly unique. Think how much fuss the Trekkers made when they killed Kirk in "Generations"?

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Originally posted by Aramina:
This is a very interesting thread. While I agree with those who think the theory it is discussing is far-fetched, I see nothing wrong with developing such a theory.

I'm writing a Masters thesis on the death of Wash and the effects it had on the fans. Something I will be particularly looking at are the ways that fans responded to the death; studying the ways fans express their feelings being an important factor.

What would be interesting to me is knowing why PastorBadger took the time to write out his theory and reply to the responses to it, and why everyone else has contributed to this thread.

If you would like to tell me your own experiences of discussing Wash's death, please do respond to this post or drop me an e-mail.

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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