Choose a Character and a Moment

POSTED BY: snoopygubs
UPDATED: Sunday, July 30, 2006 21:21
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DONCOAT

Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:04 PM

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I don't remember what I yelled, but it was probably something along the lines of "HO-ly S**T!!! HOOOOO-ly S**T!!!" And I am not one given to swearing much.)

You know...that was my very same reaction back when I watched this episode back in 2002! I loved it! Good choice!

Thanks, PezMan. It was sorta fun reliving that moment.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:09 PM

I didn't warm up to Book until the 'Special Hell' speech.

The whole cast play off each other so well. Nathan has brilliant timing, and a wonderfully expressive face. As does Morena. Adam is brilliant at making a thug cuddly, giving him depth ( ie scene stealing.) Gina and Alan felt like a couple, and it was nice to see the woman as the 'strong' one. Jewel made Kaylee a sweetheart. And Sean - I just remember his expression in 'Jaynestown' and it makes me laugh. Summer - watching the killer angel dance in the BDM is the most beautiful and graceful thing I have seen in a long time. But when she smiled in OiS...heartmelt.

GRRRARG

Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:15 PM

I've always liked Jayne, that sort of character always gets the best lines, and is the most unpredictable. When I really started cheering for Jayne was in Ariel, when he started beating the hell out of the Alliance security guard with his shoulders. Thats also the ep. that gave him a bit more depth than just the 'vulgar merc' character, because of the scene at the end when he knows he's going to die, and he says 'dont tell the others what I did, just make something up.' That made the character real.
And lets talk about Whedon badguys, because, well, I love his badguys, as long as they stay bad.
Niska complaining that he's tortured his nephew to death and he'll hear about it from his wife. That made the character real - worse, because he reminded me at that very point of someone I know - someone who really could be real.
Jubal Early threatening rape - not because he's a rapist, but because that is the precise thing that will hurt Kaylee - and everyone around her - the most. That was true evil.

22CLAWS

Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:22 PM

I loved River, dancing in Safe.

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SNOOPYGUBS

Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:02 PM

Okay, here's my second character...and this was a hard one.

Mal - most of you have said so many moments where you fell in love with him. And I agree with them all. I, too, saw the redemption in him most through Kaylee and how sweet his face looked when she kissed him and said, "I love my captain."

Which is why the scene where he tells Simon she's dead, and freaks him out, sending him running is the greatest.

It was one of those moments in tv where I knew I wouldn't see anything like that again any time soon. To go from the slow motion heart-wrenching run Simon does, to the cut scene of the crew hysterically laughing was utterly amazing to me. I had to watch it three times in a row because I kept thinking I'd missed something because I was in shock and laughing so hard at the same time.

Oddly enough, this is one of the scenes that made me realize I'd already fallen in love with Kaylee as well...because when Mal said she was dead, I highly considered stopping the series altogether since I'd rented it. Which was odd, because I'd known her character for all of 40 minutes.

But, there will be more on her later...

Like I said, choosing one Mal moment seems to be the struggle of everyone, and I think that speaks to the genius of how his character was written and portrayed. If you love him too soon, he's not the flawed hero he's supposed to be. If you love him too late, there's something wrong with the character. And most of us have said how much we love Mal through his interactions with his crew or the ship, which speaks volumes about his character. He's his most lovable through the eyes of those around him and his interactions. That, my friends, is a well-written character.

MRSU

Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:49 PM

What a great topic!

Now let me see: the first characters which I really liked were Kaylee and Inara - from the very beginning, from the pilot.

Kaylee in that bright jacket with a parasol, Kaylee talking to Book, Kaylee eating a strawberry, Kaylee saying "My good girl" to Serenity - I loved her from those moments on. I adored her making a hit with engine talks in "Shindig".

And Inara - I loved how she could keep her ground around Mal, from their first scenes together. For some reason my heart went out to her and not to Mal in their relationship, and I accepted Mal only gradually. I fell in love with her when she was introduced to Book and Mal called her a whore but she still managed a composure and a smart retort - "why don't you make sure they see me first" etc. My love was cemented in "Our Mrs. Reynolds" and in "Trash": she's the only one who could stand up to Saffron in the end. :)

The next characters I fell in love with were Wash and Zoe - it was gradual, starting from pilot, dinosaurs and goofing etc., and with Zoe shooting that guy on Whitefall from the ground and being generally awesome, but really taking off in Shindig, with Wash reading that poetry, and in Jamestown - with Wash drank and Zoe amused about this whole Jayne issue. I already loved them before War Stories.

And then there was Safe were I fell for Simon who became my favorite character in the show. It's there where I saw the depth of his sacrifice and love for his sister: my favorite scene was confrontation with his father in that jail, and also all that scene from the moment River brings in those berries and their heartbreaking dialogue ("I understand... It's hard for you..." 'Everything I have is right here".). It's amazing how he tried to keep his cool after being seemingly abandoned by "Serenity", and still tried to shield his sister from all of this stuff, talking about those berries, comforting her while trying to keep their falling apart world together, working, finding a new place in life. It's where I started to love River too.
But then there was "Ariel" where I saw even more of who Simon really was: the key moment for me was Simon saving that guy in St.Lucy and River being so proud of him. Her words "It's where you should be" were so poignant and true, and ever since I became convinced that Simon shouldn't end up on Serenity and become content with it: I get mad at scenarious/fics suggesting such an outcome.
His vocation is to be a doctor and all the time he's not doing it full-time is betraying this gift. Which makes his sacrifice even more complete.

Now Mal - he really clicked for me in "Out of Gas", and I loved him ever since. Before that, I'm ashamed to say, I looked at him as an annoying bastard who always managed to make Inara unhappy.:) But that episode - vow. It showed his true love there: Serenity, and its crew.

And Jayne - I warmed up to him in "Our Mrs.Reynolds" and started really liking him after Ariel: he has the steepest character arc in the show, and very interesting one. I love his friendship with Book, and their talk in Message over dead body is my favorite.

Now Book: I liked him from the pilot, from the kick-ass scene when he knocks Dobson out and stands there all martial-arty, with that pony-tail of his - really cool. I liked him throughout the show, and warmed up to him even more when I realised how he was babysitting River, in Jamestown and Message, to let Simon some time for himself, to get out with Kaylee etc. :)

Now River - it started in Safe but Object in Space was the episode when I finally got her, I think. And the movie: it does a lot to show the hell she's living in, and also her strength. She is an amazing character, somewhat messianic, and she would have great potential in a sequel.

SIMONWHO

Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:21 PM

The BDHs just grew and grew on me (though Mal kicking Crow into the engine was an instant "You're the Man!" moment).

One from the movie: the way the Operative asks the Doctor if he knows what his sin is; the doctor blusters for a moment and the Operative states so clearly, in a manner that is most like that of a loving father who must judge his child, "It's pride."

At that moment I knew this was no ordinary "bad guy" and for that reason alone I'd have to be even more afraid for our heroes than normal.

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