Doctor Who, Season Two Discussion
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As someone who has watched the series from its beginnings in 1963 (Yes, I`m that old) I have to say that Rose has been the best written companion the writers have ever come up with.
She`ll be a hard act to follow.
As far as Billie is concerned she is now going to appear in an adaptation of a Philip Pullman novel the Beeb are working on.
If she`s as good in that it should be worth watching.
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Loved this episode (Warning Angel Season 5 spoilers) and I should add I'm in the US. Oklahoma to be exact. I started D-loading eps to fill in what I missed of Season 1 during some drama practices I had, Got soooo hooked I started D-loading the season 2 stuff on Sat afternoons, after you folk were done seeing em. I love this show & can't wait till Christmas.
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Wept like a baby man when Rose got separated. Not a big fan of sappy stories, but this was well written & well played. Props to Bille, she sold the performance. It didn't feel put on.
Even the flash to the Doc just tearing up on the Tardis really sealed it right there. This was a genuine emotional story & it hurt to see.
Brought to mind the end of Angel Season 5 when Wes died. Not comparing the two characters just the depth & emotion of these two scenes. was right there, not campy or put on, or over dramatic. Rose wasn't "killed off." Her character "died" and it hurt.
This was the kind of scene that hurt and made you forget these are just actors & characters. And that is good storytelling & in turn that is good television.
And as much as I love the Rose character. I don't want to see her "magically" come back. I am a browncoat & when heroes die they stay dead, or gone and if they suddenly come back & everything is happy again I feel betrayed.
This was a great Season of television & I look forward to more. Consider me a Dr. Who fan
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Good grief I miss Dr Who . Saturday night is not the same without Dr Who :(
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Originally posted by Rabbit2:
As someone who has watched the series from its beginnings in 1963 (Yes, I`m that old) I have to say that Rose has been the best written companion the writers have ever come up with.
She`ll be a hard act to follow.
As far as Billie is concerned she is now going to appear in an adaptation of a Philip Pullman novel the Beeb are working on.
If she`s as good in that it should be worth watching.
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Flight Instructor: Son, know what the first rule of flying is?
Me: Don`t crash?
you old fart. you are a Hartnel fan .LOL. Is Hartnel your fave Doc?
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Guilty as charged, although I think the series did`nt fully get in to its stride untill Troughton took over. I remember thinking that some of the early Hartnell episodes with the Daleks were great but kind of lost interest for a bit, then got back in to it towards the end of the Hartnell period.
Round about the time of the first Cybermen story, I think.
Incidently, it was clear from that story that the Cybermen were originally from some sort of parallel Earth. Later writers seemed to forget that, until the recent episodes.
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Aaaaah that's cool to know about the cybermen I didn't realise that. I just thought the other dimension hook was invented for the new series. I am from the Tom Baker era. So he's my fave Dr. I also like Pertwee because I am a fan of the Sea Devils and think they are scarey. It would be cool if they re-invent the Sea Devils in the new series as they did with the Cybermen.
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The Cybermen (in the Who 'Verse, ie the 'proper' universe and not a parallel one) originated on Earth's twin planet, Mondas, rather than in an alternate dimension. Their civilisation developed faster than ours, and when Mondas left the Sun's orbit for unknown reasons during our prehistory they used their advanced technology to survive by becoming the Cybermen.
During this period they also colonised worlds such as Telos and developed their 'conquer and convert' mindset.
An energy-starved Mondas returned to try and drain Earth of power but was destroyed by the Doctor when it absorbed too much energy.
True parallel universe episodes are few and far between in the 'original' Doctor Who seasons. Only two episodes dealt with the concept directly: 'Inferno' and 'Day Of The Daleks', both 3Doctor episodes. In the first, while trying to get the TARDIS to work the Doctor inadvertantly sends himself to a world where his evil counterpart rules a fascist Britain; the second features freedom fighters from an alternate future trying to stop that future happening, but actually being the cause of it.
The involvement of the Time Lords with alternate worlds, The Void, VoidSpheres, and easy dimensional travel are entirely products of the newest series. And quite good additions, I must add.
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True enough RelFexive, according to the oficial Who `verse thats the Cybermen background.
However, from what I remember of the original story `The Tenth Planet` it was established that `Mondas` was an exact duplicate of the Earth.
One of the episode endings was of the personel of the antarctic base finally getting a picture on a TV screen of the new planet that has suddenly appeared, only to discover that it has the same continental masses as Earth. Also, If you Listen to the dialog in one of the surviving clips from the story (not one of the ones available on the BBC site unfortunately but a slightly extended version that`s been available on VCR and DVD for a good while), when the Cyber Leader refers to their homeworld as Mondas, one of the humans interupts with "but thats another name for Earth."
Clearly, in Kit Pedler`s original script, Mondas was a Twin Planet in a quite literal sense but existing in the same universe as the `real` Earth, as you mentioned, proper alternate dimension stories don`t appear until the Pertwee years.
Its rather like what Star Trek did a couple of years later, with scripts which had the Enterprise finding planets where the Roman Empire survived and similar plots.
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The thread is a bit old now, but I've only just got back to it (thanks to not being able to access the site for a while)
For the most part, I'd say season 2 was a vast improvement on the first, but still there were some real duds.
I didn't like The Idiot's Lantern or... the one with the children disappearing into the girl's drawings. But the others were beyond awesome.
I loved loved loved Love & Monsters - it was hilarious.
And the final 2-parter was epic to say the least. The last ten minutes were incredibly moving - I had to fight back the tears because I couldn't have others see me cry at Dr Who!
It will be interesting to see how the new companion fits into season 3. I don't see how she can replace Billie though. I loved her character
In the meantime, I've got the Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit 2 parter to watch still - I missed it when it was on, so I've still got new ones to watch
Yay me!
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