I just heard the stupid comment of the week.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Thursday, July 27, 2006 08:48
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Quote:If this is in refrence to some of the threads that have been started recently, I can well believe you've got something to do with it. Seems just in keeping with the tactics of a coward like you.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If you having to think those things makes you feel better about yourself, have at it. Lord knows, you do seem to need all the help you can get.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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I'm going to stop trying to debate this issue and go to bed but coudn't resist one last metaphore that occured to me.
Those that deny the existance or seriousness of global warming resemble, to me, motorcycle riders who refuse to buy a helmet on the grounds that they are expensive and they read somewhere that helmets don't improve safety much. They may survive to old age (although unless they have looked at an accurate sample of statistics their descision could be viewed as poorly informed), but the consequences of them being wrong could be anywhere from bad to fatal. Now I don't mind if other people want to take risks with their lives, what I do object to is goverments taking risks with the planet's ecosystem without consulting me.
I admit to not being particularly well informed about the politics of the current US environmental policies. Have any opinion polls/ referendums on this issue been carried out? What is the current opinion of the general populace on Kyoto and other 'Green' issues? I should very much like to know.
Thank you.
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Unwrapped,
Quote:What about the global consortium of scientists and the National Academy of Sciences? They all seem to think that global warming 1) is real and 2) is caused by human activity. Do you think they are all corrupted while you (in your expert scientific opinion) have "the truth"?
... YOUR scientist (sic) who promote man made global warming are as pure as the wind driven snow, while my sources are nothing more than Big Oil or Gov't shills ...
More to the point, why is the only good science (according to you) the science you happen to agree with?
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citizen - It's funny to see you react w/ name calling as you do. That shows you're the real coward here, where you rely in ad hominems instead of substantive talking points. Small minds, like yours, react in such a manner.
It's what you do.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
I'm going to stop trying to debate this issue and go to bed but coudn't resist one last metaphore that occured to me.
Those that deny the existance or seriousness of global warming resemble, to me, motorcycle riders who refuse to buy a helmet on the grounds that they are expensive and they read somewhere that helmets don't improve safety much. They may survive to old age (although unless they have looked at an accurate sample of statistics their descision could be viewed as poorly informed), but the consequences of them being wrong could be anywhere from bad to fatal. Now I don't mind if other people want to take risks with their lives, what I do object to is goverments taking risks with the planet's ecosystem without consulting me.
I admit to not being particularly well informed about the politics of the current US environmental policies. Have any opinion polls/ referendums on this issue been carried out? What is the current opinion of the general populace on Kyoto and other 'Green' issues? I should very much like to know.
Thank you.
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Opinion polls aside, I use to be young and duped into the Green way of thinking. Then I grew up. I was discussing w/ a fellow class mate of mine the impending doom facing our planet, running out of oil. " The amount of oil we have is FINITE! We must find alternate sources of energy, cut back, increase taxes on oil.....etc, do ANYTHING to reign in the excessive use of oil. It was so self evident, I couldn't see how ANYONE didn't see the impending problem. All the while, my classmate, whom I got along well enough with despite this one issue, was so clam, smug and confident in her views, it really ticked me off more.
She knew what she was talking about, and I didn't.I was basing my views on what I'd seen on news magazines covers, the nightly news and the daily newspaper headlines. Turns out, all that news that's fit to print - ISN'T. While I wasn't converted on the spot, I was forced to question my own perspective. What came after was a long conversion from being a tree hugger in training to seeing the larger picture on this matter.
That little 'debate' took place in 1981. I was in HS. You know, at that age where kids think they know everything, but have only just begun to learn.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Unwrapped,
Quote:What part did you come to disbelieve? The part that there is a limit on oil, or some other angle?
It was so self evident, I couldn't see how ANYONE didn't see the impending problem.
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:The UN and the NAS (US National Academy of Sciences) do agree. Who else are you looking for?
Let's get both sides together with all of their data and let them hammer on each other until all can agree on one stance.
Are you sure the NAS is in agreement?
http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309075742/html/17.html
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by rue:
A call for science from the guy who says scientists are wrong about global warming. WHOO HOOOO
To be fair, not all scientists are in agreement about global warming, and even those who believe the environment is getting warmer don't agree on human action's part in the process.
Myself, as I've sat huddling in my expensively air-conditioned apartment hiding from the 104 degree heat outside, I've been annoyed by people connecting a seasonal heat wave with global warming. Geez guys, do some research, it doesn't work that way.
"I've got a Master's degree. In SCIENCE!" -- Dr. Science
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Quote:YES
hAre you sure the NAS is in agreement?
ttp://darwin.nap.edu/openbook.phprecord_id=10139&page=1
From the NAS website:
Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. Temperatures are, in fact, rising. The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability. Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century.
Another article on the topic
AN OP-ED article in the Wall Street Journal a month ago claimed that a published study affirming the existence of a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming had been refuted. This charge was repeated again last week, in a hearing of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
I am the author of that study, which appeared two years ago in the journal Science, and I'm here to tell you that the consensus stands. The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal — the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn't even get my name right!)
My study demonstrated that there is no significant disagreement within the scientific community that the Earth is warming and that human activities are the principal cause.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-oreskes24jul24,0,
7925596.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
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RocketJock,
It's true that not ALL scientists agree. But all the credible ones who have research to back them up do. See the article above.
The uncertainty is not whether the earth is warming, or whether human activity is causing it, it is in what fraction of global warming should be attributed to natural variation. As the NAS concluded, the change is far too large to be natural variation. But some small fraction may be.
And you, like Unwrapped, must be hallucinating. Did I say anything about summer heat waves ???? PLEASE feel free to quote me!
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