Jean Charles de Menezes
POSTED BY: Gixxer
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 15:39
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Dude, I grew up in some pretty horrific south baltimore areas, and in all this time, 30 years and more, I've met ONE... count em, ONE, decent cop.
Joe Goode, if yer out there, keep on keepin on, maybe some of these creepers will learn from your example.
Lemme repeat something I've said here before in response to "big brush" comments there.
A policeMAN (or woman) is a person, sure - that's fine, they can be good, bad, indifferent, but *AS A FORCE*, *AS A SYSTEM*, "The Police" are slime.
When they put on that uniform and become part of the collective, they're representing something that has come to mean oppression, abuse of power and inexcusable wickedness, more often than not slid under the rug with naught more than a tap on the wrist.
I know some copfolk, and there exists an understanding between us that I will treat them as a human being only out of uniform and off duty, and as an instrument of oppression and destruction in uniform and on duty.
Hang out and deal with some policefolk for a while in person, at least to observe, if you can contrive it, and you'll see just how damn tribal they are, with a pretty severe "Us and Them" mentality, generally regarding anyone who is NOT a cop as a perp, just one they haven't caught yet - I refuse to blind myself to plain facts for the sake of political correctness concerning the middle east, and damned if I would do so on my own turf.
And just for you Big, the incident they got so very pissed over was some damn fool blatantly attempting to steal my vehicle in broad daylight, in my yard, about 8 feet from the doorstep, in front of about 20 witnesses, and when confronted, reached in his jacket in a manner that I considered threatening.
I responded by pointing my one-hander crossbow at him, be damned if I would let someone shoot me in such a fashion... he exited the scene, and returned later with the police who threatened to arrest me (gee, how convenient for the bastard if I had been, since he could come back and steal my wheels without me around to prevent it.. NIiiiice police work that, yes ?) only to be harshly rebuffed by about 20 very pissed off locals, and they decided to take off with naught more than threats.
Ran afoul of them again about three weeks later for bodily evicting a punk who kicked in the door to try to lift the TV cause he thought no one was home, and several times for reacting aggressively to attempts to rob me and in EVERY SINGLE CASE, they threatened ME, not the perp, with arrest, and got REAL snippy about the whole concept of self defense... now you tell me, after a decade of that crap, how I am gonna view the goons in blue, yes ?
I've personally witnessed enough horrific abuses by the BCPD to turn the stomach of even the most hardened and cynical person, these are the goons who even got caught breaking into the internal affairs dept office and trying to torch it, who arrested someone (quite recently, mind you) for simply asking directions, seem to get off on shaking down female motorists for amusement (got pictures of that one, and brought em to court for her lawyer, too) not to mention ordering their police dogs to attack suspects who have surrendered.
The very worst of which was Piazonni Johnny, a local pizza shop employer, who was accosted by a rookie cop while pumping gas into his car at the intersection of Rte2 and 648 - the cop was shaking and twitching, and white knuckling the trigger of his service weapon, which he had drawn for no reason we have ever determined to this very day, and Johnny panicked and ducked cause he thought he was about to killed - which caused the cop to panic and fire, and Johnny took off, at which time the cop emptied the clip at his fleeing back, striking him repeatedly and nearly killing him.
All documented fact - BCPD and the LA RAMPART guys have a lot in common.
I'm not flaming them individually as human beings, I am commenting on what a horror the "Police Force" in general has become - never in my entire life have I ever been able to depend on them to do their job, but I can
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Damn.... I see some of the same attitudes where I live, but haven't experienced anything like you have.
I remember a thread a while back where some were touting the US as the best country in the world... but then you here stories like this, and see how New Orleans went down, and look at a hundred other things...
Then you just have to shake your head and say " yeah right "
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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I'm mostly a lurker, but I just can't sit this one out.
I thanked them on September 11, 2001, I'll thank them now, and I'll go on thanking them until the day I die.
Thank you NYPD. You are are heroes. All of you.
As with any population in the US, and any other country, there will be people in uniform that do not deserve to be there. But to condemn all police for the actions of a few is pathetic.
Right now I'm sad to be a Browncoat.
Eric
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The 'hero' thing doesn't fly either.
My word, imagine a trade where DOING YOUR JOB is cause for such celebration ?... gee, how far must the profession have fallen when those who merely do the job they're paid for are so celebrated.
They did a GOOD job, and i'll buy any member of the NYPD/NYFD a round, and lift it in rememberence of their fallen, sure - but they knew the responsibilities and risks of the job when they took it.
That's like folks who get all heartbroken like it's a damn tragedy when a soldier, who signed up to fight a war, knowing a war is on, dies in a prolonged firefight with a hostile force - golly gee whiz, didn't they tell you about that whole RISK OF DEATH thing in advance ?
I'm sorry, I cannot abide that whole 'heroism' concept of folks doin the job they signed up to do, and/or suffering the consequences, till no-knock raid fatalities are handled with more than "oh well, oops" by the same departments.
When they put on the long blue parade for folks they accidently or negligently killed, the same as they do for their own fallen - THEN and ONLY then, will I change my viewpoint on this.
I do my job, you don't see folk touting about the heroism of ordinary folk who risk as much or more in the daily course of their work, do you ?
A construction worker is far more likely to suffer fatality or injury on the job as a law enforcement officer - you don't see them getting commendations and medals for building a house, do you ?
*shakes head*
I condemn them not for the actions of a few, not as individuals, but on their behavior as a force, a collective, and a social impact that's brought little but misery over the course of a hundred years.
Tell me, what's YOUR reaction to a cop, emotionally, when he points at you and says "HEY, YOU, STOP!" and advances toward you ?
Don't tell me, look into your heart, your own feelings, and be 100% honest, what DO you feel at that point........
and why ?
And you think about that good and hard, for a nice long time.
-Frem
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Stumbled across an extremely good resource in reference to militarized behavior and no-knock raids, and the consquences, with suggestions for policy reform.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476
For those interested in the topic, Balko's whitepaper on the subject is extremely good, massively sourced, and accurate in every respect possible.
The interactive map included on the page is very telling, as well.
The best way to "police" an area is with beat cops, the cops get to see the locals as human beings instead of perps, and the locals get to see the cop as a human being instead of an invader/outsider/aggressor - and consequence of this cooperation, crime goes down.
Joe Goode paid his dues in shoe leather, rather than lead, and is all the BETTER cop for that - crime *prevention* is better than crime *prosecution* any day of the week.
-Frem
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The best way to "police" an area is with beat cops, the cops get to see the locals as human beings instead of perps, and the locals get to see the cop as a human being instead of an invader/outsider/aggressor - and consequence of this cooperation, crime goes down.
Completely agree. Police officers commuting into the community they patrol and rarely leaving their patrol cars is a recipe for unpleasantness. I was encouraged after reading this article late last year on the LAPD's new tactic of having recruits walk a beat: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1118/p01s03-ussc.html
If the only interaction between police and the public is aggressive then both sides will tend to go bunker mentality.
* edited to make one sentence more clear
* edited to actually excerpt from the article:
Quote:
excerpted from http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1118/p01s03-ussc.html
By pushing officers out of squad cars and onto sidewalks, many police departments have tried to reestablish ties to their communities. What's new about the LAPD's move, formally announced last week, is that it's starting from the bottom up: training new recruits to walk the beat.
The innocuous-sounding Community Interaction Program (CIP) - 50 graduate-ready recruits at a time who fan out across the city's most pedestrian-heavy crime areas - is a new twist on an old idea, courtesy of one of America's most innovative police chiefs. The story behind it clarifies, experts say, why many of law enforcement's own brass feel police often go awry.
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That's exactly what Ms. Giordano and her two fellow trainees, Conor Sever and Joseph Romo are doing. As three of 50 in the program's second class of trainees, they spend four weeks of eight-hour shifts walking Hollywood Boulevard, getting to know residents and business owners - and making arrests, if necessary.
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In the handful of precincts where the LAPD is trying CIP, daytime crime - petty theft, burglary, car theft, assault - in the target downtown and Hollywood areas has plummeted to nearly zero, according to Hollywood precinct Captain Michael Moriarty.
Many residents and business owners on Hollywood Boulevard are embracing the new program.
"I wish they had been doing this years ago," says lifetime Hollywood resident Trent McCoy. "Having a show of police on the streets really lowers the anxiety," he says.
There's more to the article and I recommend reading it in it's entirety.
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Didn't the London cops get their "terrorism training" in Israel? Shooting unarmed people in the head is apparently standard operating procedure, when dealing with suspected suicide bombers, even when the innocent person is nekked.
PS: Israeli Jews are the most-hateful anti-Semites on the planet:
Quote:
"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs (and Christians). It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
-Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Independnet Reform Party presidential candidate in 2004, ex-Green Party presidential candidate in 2000, Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003
Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
-Merriam Webster Dictionary
"From the time of King Solomon to our very days the Holy Land was either united with Trans-Jordan or attached to Syria or Turkey. Western Palestine was never a single and independent entity and certainly a part of that cannot possibly constitute an independent state, as envisaged in the various plans that are discussed from time to time. However, the basic reason for our opposition to an Independent Jewish state as that in prevailing circumstances the officially recognised representation of the Jewish people does not consider the authority of the Holy Law as binding in the public affairs of the Jewish people, and it is contrary to the wishes of G-d to create a Jewish State."
-Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky, JewsAgainstZionism.com, Statement to United Nations Corporation Special Committee on Palestine 1947
So I'm a Semite-lover.
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Menezes was an Ilegal Criminal Alien.
Are'nt you happy that we shot him?
If he was in Tenesee you'd be offering to shoot him yourself with HMG, self defence, justifiable homicide etc.
Make your mind up Wanker.
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