Aiming for Armageddon
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, August 6, 2006 22:42
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There were few problems along the Israeli/Lebanese border until Hezbollah militants attacked an Israeli outpost.
And where, exactly, did this idea come from ?
Show me a valid source, please.
(and not some Gannon-esque, Talon-News shill, something with actual press credentials)
World opinion seems of the general consensus that the initiation of serious hostilities began on Jul 12th with an ambush of an Izzie patrol on the Lebanese side of the border, including a tank.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html
Gee, if Mexico send a squad of troops with a tank on combat patrol through Nogalez, Arizona, you can't tell me WE wouldn't be pissed about it.
As for the whole standing down thing - the problem is the nature of both sides.
If the Pallys stand down, the Izzies start shelling them over some unwarranted provocation.
If the Izzies stand down, the Pallys start bombing them over some unwarranted provocation.
Either way, one side says to itself "We can't trust these bastards, they NEVER stick to agreements" and goes berserk at the other - there is NO promise either side can make, that the other will trust because of the history of broken promises involved.
The only peace most of these poor sodders are ever gonna see is the peace of grave, and artifically extending the misery by propping up one side or the other just makes it an ongoing holocaust (a word I use intentionally and with good reason) that sucks up lives and resources and spits out destruction and misery.
It's like a title fight that the referee won't make a call on, that's gone 35 rounds and both contenders are half-dead... you WANNA stop it, but the only folks who can are the folks doing the shooting, and they're no gonna because neither side can trust the other not to stab them in the back the minute they stop shooting.
Or, a better analogy, some poor sodder on life support, in terrible pain, with zero hope of recovery, who's never going to get any better.
It's long past time to pull the plug - blockade the entire region, and let what's gonna happen, happen, it's the only sane solution.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
part of it is that Congress funnels huge amounts of money to them, and then AIPAC funnels it back into those members of Congress's campaign funds, which is an issue that damned well SHOULD be investigated thoroughly.
Interesting article about AIPAC and its influence in today's (07/16) Washington Post Magazine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006
071201627.html
You may have to log on to the Post site to read this, but it's too long to copy & paste. Sorry.
One bite from the article might explain why US administrations tend to support Israel. A Gallop poll earlier this year showed that 68% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Israel, vs. 23% unfavorable, and that Americans support Israelis over Palestinians by 59% to 15%. Since people tend to vote like they think, If you want to stay in office, you go with the flow.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Quote:
There were few problems along the Israeli/Lebanese border until Hezbollah militants attacked an Israeli outpost.
And where, exactly, did this idea come from ?
Show me a valid source, please.
(and not some Gannon-esque, Talon-News shill, something with actual press credentials)
It's Canadian so I hope this counts as a valid source.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060713/g8_bush_0
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Gee, if Mexico send a squad of troops with a tank on combat patrol through Nogalez, Arizona, you can't tell me WE wouldn't be pissed about it.
I think your analogie would be more apt if the American Government was either unwilling or unable to deal with an anti-Mexican hate group which had free reign in the southern States.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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I believe we call those "Redneck Assholes".
And there's a damned lot of em.
*shrug*
As I said, no matter how hard you bang the drum for one side or the other, they're equally nasty.
Geeze had a far better concept, and a big part of that is pressure on broadcast media to not be so critical of our so-called-ally... which over the years seems to have morphed into 'can do no wrong'.
That's like saying how horrible those french murders who killed 2 honorable members of the wermarcht are... without ever reporting on the fact that they were invaded by those folks.
Multiply that kind of biased reporting by 50 years, public perception is going to be likewise bent.
I am pretty sure that many of the middle eastern media do, and have done, much the same thing, in the other direction.
I'd like to see some real, politically-neutral coverage of the region for once, but my primary viewpoint on it is simple...
War is based on turf, when someone steps on YOUR turf and tries to take it, you kill em, and when you do, the other side has ZERO moral right to scream terrorism.
But if, instead, you wanna take sides, even with our so-called-ally... try this experiment then.
Uproot your fence and move it 2 feet further towards you neighbors house - and do it again about once every two months for a year.
Then come back and tell me how friendly you are with your neighbor NOW.
Oh, and if he puts your fence back, or kicks it down, blow his house up, salt his lawn, bulldoze his garage and set his car on fire.
Then come back and tell me how well liked you are in the neighborhood.
(This last bit is all facetious, so that we can clarify just HOW ridiculous any discussion of who started what is, and put a stake through the heart of that damned stupidity, be advised.)
-Frem
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Quote:We used to toss firecrackers at each other's houses daily, but now it's escalated to M-80's.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Then come back and tell me how friendly you are with your neighbor NOW.
Microcosmic Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I believe we call those "Redneck Assholes".
And there's a damned lot of em.
*shrug*
As I said, no matter how hard you bang the drum for one side or the other, they're equally nasty.
Geeze had a far better concept, and a big part of that is pressure on broadcast media to not be so critical of our so-called-ally... which over the years seems to have morphed into 'can do no wrong'.
That's like saying how horrible those french murders who killed 2 honorable members of the wermarcht are... without ever reporting on the fact that they were invaded by those folks.
Multiply that kind of biased reporting by 50 years, public perception is going to be likewise bent.
I am pretty sure that many of the middle eastern media do, and have done, much the same thing, in the other direction.
I'd like to see some real, politically-neutral coverage of the region for once, but my primary viewpoint on it is simple...
War is based on turf, when someone steps on YOUR turf and tries to take it, you kill em, and when you do, the other side has ZERO moral right to scream terrorism.
But if, instead, you wanna take sides, even with our so-called-ally... try this experiment then.
Uproot your fence and move it 2 feet further towards you neighbors house - and do it again about once every two months for a year.
Then come back and tell me how friendly you are with your neighbor NOW.
Oh, and if he puts your fence back, or kicks it down, blow his house up, salt his lawn, bulldoze his garage and set his car on fire.
Then come back and tell me how well liked you are in the neighborhood.
(This last bit is all facetious, so that we can clarify just HOW ridiculous any discussion of who started what is, and put a stake through the heart of that damned stupidity, be advised.)
-Frem
The media angle is very apparent
Just read about the USS Liberty incident... if it had of been anybody but Israel.......
Just an add on to your analogy,
If you told your neighbor to plant nothing but marigolds.... then poured gasoline all over his flower bed when he planted dragonsnaps instead...
then you have US foreign policy'
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6C062C97-F8D0-42B9-89A1-1C4D696
3D512.htm
Lebanon has accused the United States of blocking a Security Council statement calling for a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah, and said the impotence of the UN's most powerful body sent wrong signals to small countries.
of course when it comes to invadin some oil rich hunk of sand....
The French are the ones who derail the UN
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Bush Junior is making serious attempts to bring peace to the Mideast. Yeah.
Quote:At the risk of sounding both angry and cynical (which of course I'm not) it seems to me that if Lebanon or Hizbollah had a clutch of nukes we'd be falling all over ourselves to make nice.
U.S. official: Israel needs time to 'defang' Hezbollah
Secretary of State Rice won't travel to Mideast before next week
By Elise Labott
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will not go on a peace mission to the Mideast before next week, giving Israel time to "defang" Hezbollah, a senior administration official said Wednesday.
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
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Quote:You mean they don't ??? I thought all that stuff left Iraq before the invasion.
At the risk of sounding both angry and cynical (which of course I'm not) it seems to me that if Lebanon or Hizbollah had a clutch of nukes we'd be falling all over ourselves to make nice.
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Oh yeah... that's right... they're in Syria now.
And everyone knows that what's in Syria goes to Hizbollah in Lebanon.
So clearly Israel is facing all those Phantom WMD... and they are the especially dangerous kind of WMD because nobody can see them!
Thanks for that reminder!
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And I thought I was cynical!!!!
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