Woman Killed in Boston Big Dig Tunnel Fall
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 07:47
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Ah, the sound of everyone shouting but no one listening. Warms the heart.
Isn't marvelous what our two-party system has done for us?
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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.
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Quote:The pro-Bush crowd judge everything by how they can blame everyone else. This is happening in Bush's America, not Kerry's, but I'm sure it's Liberal body snatching mind kontrolen.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
From an estimated $2.5 Billion to over $ 14.6 Billion, with delays, leaks.....and the damn thing is falling apart already! This from the land of Ted Kennedy and John ( I served in Vietnam ) Kerry.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:The pro-Bush crowd judge everything by how they can blame everyone else. This is happening in Bush's America, not Kerry's, but I'm sure it's Liberal body snatching mind kontrolen.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
From an estimated $2.5 Billion to over $ 14.6 Billion, with delays, leaks.....and the damn thing is falling apart already! This from the land of Ted Kennedy and John ( I served in Vietnam ) Kerry.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
No sir, once again, you have it utterly wrong. The 'Big Dig' was begun before W's dad was even in the White House, let alone W himself. As explained, the cost over runs, delays and shoddy workmanship are well documented. It is a shining example of all that is wrong w/ 'Big Gov't'( Things Kennedy and Kerry stand for ) Bush doesn't own this one, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Once your Millennium Dome starts falling apart and killing folks, THEN I'll take what ever comment you may have seriously.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You say this big government thing is to blame and that's all down to Liberals, but as far as I can see Conservatives such as yourself only ever hate big government when it means paying for things that help other people, if it helps you those big government ideas are just grand.
What do you need for a big engorged military that you and Hero seem to think is so important? A big tax collecting Government. You like to think you can have your cake and eat it, I imagine you think that big debt your running is all down to social welfare programs that Bush has cut but it's not.
Let’s be honest, if you and Hero couldn't of put your 'Bush is so great, those who disagree are scum' normal everyday spin on it you wouldn't have posted anything on the subject. Your one of the first to jump in with the "look at the anti-bush crowd blah blah blah" bullshit, then you turn around and do the exact same thing from a different angle, that was the point of my post, but as usual you need everything pointed out to you in five year old dummy talk before you get it.
And once you start practicing what you preach and form an opinion based on something other than what big daddy Bush has told you to think THEN maybe someone despite yourself will take any comment you have on any subject what so ever seriously.
But since that won't ever happen I guess everyone will continue to take your comments for just what they are, mindless drivel.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Ah the gentle cattle prod of reality, kicked up one's rectum with a jackhammer - that's no way to make friends with the conservatives, Cit.. they don't like that very much.
-Frem
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... but as far as I can see Conservatives such as yourself only ever hate big government when it means paying for things that help other people, if it helps you those big government ideas are just grand.
How many folks has that spiffy Millennium Dome helped ?
If you'd taken the time to notice, you'd see that my line about Kerry/Kennedy was reserved for the very last, and quite frankly, the least bit of my post. The main issue is that a giant project which was late, over budget and poorly made is the result of those who think Gov't is nothing more than a blank check to make everyone's dream come true.
Guess again.
I'm not ridiculing 'the big dig' for what it was intended to do, but for what it became.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How many folks has that spiffy Millennium Dome helped ?
How many folks has that spiffy Mount Rushmore helped?
No one, AU, the Millennium Dome hasn’t helped anyone, but it was a Tory plan from the beginning and the project was well under way prior to the 1997 Labour election win. It was perfect for the Tory's, if it succeeds they play up the fact that it was all their idea and if it fails they harp on about Labour throwing money away (obviously neglecting the stuff about it being a Tory plan and a Tory project). And oh look at what happened! It ran over budget and behind schedule and lo and behold all of a sudden the Tory's are going on about this terrible waste of public money, no mention it being their idea.
The Millennium Dome which you think is some how supporting your argument is actually supporting mine, Conservatives backing a big government project while it is good for THEM.
Quote:Now spin it however you want, but that was a blatant summation of your thoughts. Also, before you go on about your Kerry/Kennedy line being the least of your post, it is also ALL of your personal input to that post, something you've brought SignyM up on in another thread at the moment.
If you'd taken the time to notice, you'd see that my line about Kerry/Kennedy was reserved for the very last, and quite frankly, the least bit of my post. The main issue is that a giant project which was late, over budget and poorly made is the result of those who think Gov't is nothing more than a blank check to make everyone's dream come true.
So that would make you a hypocrite wouldn't it? I mean telling someone off for doing what you are doing?
Quote:Couldn't agree more with big government single big projects, just look at Iraq, an over budget ridiculously mismanaged big project if ever there was one. But you support that one, I guess you do like blank check big government projects, if they are ones you like.
Guess again.
Quote:Plenty of anti Iraq war comments fall into the category of not ridiculing it for the stated intention, but for what its become, yet you argue against them anyway, because you'll support any big government project you like, that's why.
I'm not ridiculing 'the big dig' for what it was intended to do, but for what it became.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Citizen, in your typical knee-jerk reaction to play contrarian to EVERYTHING I post, you've once again displayed your ignorance.
The carving of Mt. Rushmore actually began on August 10, 1927, and spanned a length of 14 years. Only about six and a half years were spent actually carving the mountain, with the rest of the time being spent on weather delays and Borglum's greatest enemy - the lack of funding. The total cost of the project was $900,000. Work continued on the project until the death of Gutzon Borglum in 1941. No carving has been done on the mountain since that time and none is planned in the future.
The granite faces of four American presidents' is scaled to men who would stand 465 feet tall! President Calvin Coolidge believed Mount Rushmore was "decidedly American in its conception, magnitude and meaning. It is altogether worthy of our country," Coolidge proclaimed at the dedication of the project in 1927
Much of Mt Rushmore's constrution was PRIVATELY funded, with assistance from the Fed. Gov't. No one was killed during the making of the monument, despite the use of dynamite and heavy equipment.
The Dome project was conceived, originally on a somewhat smaller scale, under John Major's Conservative government, as a Festival of Britain or World's Fair-type showcase to celebrate the third millennium. The incoming Labour government elected in 1997 under Tony Blair, greatly expanded the size, scope and funding of the project. It also significantly increased expectations of what would be delivered. Just before its opening Blair claimed the Dome would be "a triumph of confidence over cynicism, boldness over blandness, excellence over mediocrity". In the words of BBC correspondent Robert Orchard, "the Dome was to be highlighted as a glittering New Labour achievement in the next election manifesto".
So, Conservatives come up w/ an idea, and the Libs inflate it along w/ their ego. Bravo.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You know, I work on small engine bikes, most of which begin as mere 49cc toys and many of which become evil fire-breathing 68cc Monsters, not to mention the truly psychotic Honda Spree with a 103cc Maligutti (I think?) kit on it (and front disc brakes, to stop the insane little thing), and these bikes, once you take them past the frame specs, they shake, vibrate and rattle... A LOT, ok ?
One very common solution to vibration/loose bolt issues that's been common for ages and ages is thus: Reverse the freakin threading, morons.
If a cab driver who works on this stuff out of his garage on weekends can see the bloody fekkin obvious here, whatever overpaid contractor didn't should be held responsible for it.
At least Haliburton/KBR didn't build it, it woulda cost ten times that and the whole thing woulda come down.... Contractors are Contractors, especially those connected with lobbying firms, at either end of the political spectrum, with shell company holding, fake minority status, etc etc - Caveat Emptor.
Our representatives (again, in either party) are awfully free with our money when the job ain't gettin done, why not take them to task for it ?
I pay you to do a job, you take the money and do 10% of the work, then come back and demand more money ? to hell with payin you at all, you'd be lucky if I didn't beat the crap out of you!
And THAT, is the root of the problem, letting these guys slide on 'cost overruns' instead of locking them up for fraud and theft when they pull crap like this.
-Frem
PS- FYI, that Spree does 89mph, imagine the humilation of being blown off the road by.. a honda SPREE ? bwahahah, and no it ain't mine, I wish it was!
A little off topic, but have you seen the movie : Worlds fastest Indian ?
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Quote:Why are you trying to deflect the debate from the originally point? Mount Rushmore was thrown in there specifically because I was never using the Dome as an example of a publicly funded big project that helped people, in fact you brought up the dome for reasons that seem completely nonsensical, just like most nearly everything you posts.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Citizen, in your typical knee-jerk reaction to play contrarian to EVERYTHING I post, you've once again displayed your ignorance.
The carving of Mt. Rushmore actually began on August 10, 1927, and spanned a length of 14 years. Only about six and a half years were spent actually carving the mountain, with the rest of the time being spent on weather delays and Borglum's greatest enemy - the lack of funding. The total cost of the project was $900,000. Work continued on the project until the death of Gutzon Borglum in 1941. No carving has been done on the mountain since that time and none is planned in the future.
The granite faces of four American presidents' is scaled to men who would stand 465 feet tall! President Calvin Coolidge believed Mount Rushmore was "decidedly American in its conception, magnitude and meaning. It is altogether worthy of our country," Coolidge proclaimed at the dedication of the project in 1927
Much of Mt Rushmore's constrution was PRIVATELY funded, with assistance from the Fed. Gov't. No one was killed during the making of the monument, despite the use of dynamite and heavy equipment.
I mean you can take me playing contrary (contrarian isn’t a word
) to everything you post, buts it’s more because you are always wrong, usually about your “facts” that are either distorted or merely blatantly made up or by the way you go about it or by the way you use every issue as a spring board for you stupid childish little prejudices.All those on the left wing are scumbags and deserve to die because they won’t fight the terrorist WAAAH!
All Muslims are terrorists WAAAH!
Just a constant stream of bullshit is emitted whenever you choose to speak, obviously you think anyone who disagrees with you crap is being contrary but that’s because you are an idiot.
You say I’m ignorant, well here’s a quick example:
You’ve never met a Muslim, you say they are all terrorists, that means you are completely ignorant of Muslims.
I say they are not, I’ve just spent the last week living with a Muslim, who I may add didn’t try to blow me up once. That means I am not ignorant.
I could go on for some time but for the sake of levity I will say this: You AU, are the ignorant one, ignorant of everything and anything, you are the most ignorant person on these boards by a very long way. Here’s where you stick your head back up Bush’s arse and repeat the mantra, “Bush is the one, Bush is so great, Bush will tell me who I should hate.”
Quote:Again absolutely nothing to do with the original point, plus again no citations for your quote, probably because the rest of the text disproves what you say, ergo you do not wish anyone to read it.
The Dome project was conceived, originally on a somewhat smaller scale, under John Major's Conservative government, as a Festival of Britain or World's Fair-type showcase to celebrate the third millennium. The incoming Labour government elected in 1997 under Tony Blair, greatly expanded the size, scope and funding of the project. It also significantly increased expectations of what would be delivered. Just before its opening Blair claimed the Dome would be "a triumph of confidence over cynicism, boldness over blandness, excellence over mediocrity". In the words of BBC correspondent Robert Orchard, "the Dome was to be highlighted as a glittering New Labour achievement in the next election manifesto".
So, Conservatives come up w/ an idea, and the Libs inflate it along w/ their ego. Bravo.
Since you obviously did your research (wikipedias servers are working overtime huh) you'd also know that the Conservatives planned to dismantle
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