Why was Sarah Michelle Gellar known as the 'Duchess'?
POSTED BY: rkwalsh
UPDATED: Thursday, January 22, 2004 07:44
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Firstly, JAREDAN thank you so much for offering more direct examples of SMG's behavior than what I've read elsewhere in this thread. I've read a lot of positive and negative comments about SMG over the years. Rarely have I seen such anecdotal evidence so detailed and well worded. Again, thank you.
And now dear WINTERFELL:
"not on board with you here.."
We can agree to disagree. I certainly have no misconception of changing anyone's mind. Simply stating my piece and attempting to argue on behalf of decency and common sense.
"imagine these message boards if no one said anything offensive to someone else.. if no one critisized anything about the show or the actors..."
Imagine there's no heaven...
So the only way to keep things interesting is to be insulting and degrading to the very people and organizations that presented Whedon's works in the first place? That's nice. This obviously won FOX television over, us going around saying how stupid and cruel they were for dissing Firefly. I hear that because of our efforts as a bunch of whiny crybaby fans, Fox is going to start showing season two of Firefly three weeks ago next Wednesday.
That was sarcasm, by the way. 
"As far as new show with new cast in same verse? no way.."
That's the same mentality that ended BtVS. No Gellar? No Buffy. Personally I think some creative writing woulda allowed for a season eight and nine without SMGs face ever showing again. I woulda done a Freaky Friday with Buffy, Willow and Tara, with Buffy's body being the odd one out. But that's just me. Plenty of other ways to do it.
Angel would have never happened with that attitude. The Firefly movie should have the same cast, but if/when it returns to TV it should do so with a new attitude and a look to the future not the past. It's a big 'verse. Lotta interesting people in it.
I love the cast of Firefly, don't get me wrong. However, if some or all of them are doing fine elsewhere, the show must go on. I'd rather see Firefly fly again with a few changes in cast than to see it grounded permanently just because getting nine talented people back together, is not unlike corralling cats.
Let's be reasonable and sensible here.
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"And now dear WINTERFELL:
We can agree to disagree. I certainly have no misconception of changing anyone's mind. Simply stating my piece and attempting to argue on behalf of decency and common sense."
me too...
"Imagine there's no heaven...
So the only way to keep things interesting is to be insulting and degrading to the very people and organizations that presented Whedon's works in the first place? That's nice. This obviously won FOX television over, us going around saying how stupid and cruel they were for dissing Firefly. I hear that because of our efforts as a bunch of whiny crybaby fans, Fox is going to start showing season two of Firefly three weeks ago next Wednesday."
I imagine that everyday actually.. but truthfuly I don't remember my comments falling into that category.. but sure if ya wanna stretch my comments to unrealistic proportions...
"That's the same mentality that ended BtVS. No Gellar?.... Plenty of other ways to do it.
Angel would have never happened with that attitude. The Firefly movie should have the same cast, but if/when it returns to TV it should do so with a new attitude and a look to the future not the past. It's a big 'verse. Lotta interesting people in it.
I love the cast of Firefly, don't get me wrong. However, if some or all of them are doing fine elsewhere, the show must go on. I'd rather see Firefly fly again with a few changes in cast than to see it grounded permanently just because getting nine talented people back together, is not unlike corralling cats.
Let's be reasonable and sensible here."
hmm.. seems to me to be all just speculation based on your opinion of how/why BtVS ended, angel, and firefly.. I am thinking there were tons more involved than just one state of mind.
Personally, as far as firefly goes, I hope what I have always hope (as futile as it may seem) that the movie works, a new series is made.. and the original cast gets to do what it never had the chance to.
Aparently.. you obviously had other things in mind.. but hey.. to each his own..
cheers mate
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Speculation? There is a difference between official announcements that talent has a contract with a firm for a movie or tv show outside the Mutant Enemy umbrella, and alleged interviews or hearsay that indicates talent A thought talent B was a random derogatory insult.
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Originally posted by ZachsMind:
Speculation? There is a difference between official announcements that talent has a contract with a firm for a movie or tv show outside the Mutant Enemy umbrella, and alleged interviews or hearsay that indicates talent A thought talent B was a random derogatory insult.
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I can only assume you're talking about your firefly comments.. the 9 folks being hard to get together because of contracts and such. If so, I can't say that i disagree.. it would be tuff, but worth it. The Speculation I was referring to was: on continuing the firefly series without the original cast and it working... plus your comments about the fate of BtVS and Angel.. these seem to be your idea of how the shows would work if you were in charge..
From what I have read about Joss, I don't think he'd agree.. and it's his show.. so.. ::shrug::
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I feel that in the end it isn't really about what type of person SMG is, we are just disappointed, as obviously David and Joss are, that she is unwilling to do her duty and appear on Angel again as David did on Btvs for her. I really do believe that it is a slap in the face to the loyal fans of Btvs for her to just walk away never to pick up a stake again. And although Angel will do just fine without her, isn't so much left untapped that never got the chance to play out? Of course this is just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Jaredan:
That said, I think Sarah was a remarkable actress on "Buffy", and I think it's just a shame that what appears to be one person's unfortunate attitude is so detrimental to so many other people.
I mentioned something earlier about snobbery, but don't think I touched on something.
Has anyone ever thought that perhaps SMG's actions and attitudes were the manifestations of a deep seated insecurity?
Think about it. She made tons of money, is recognized world wide, for being Buffy. When you sit down and try to discuss it, it boils down to being a famous ex-cheerleader who kills vampires, except the ones she falls in love with, (or who fall in love with her)
Joss made the shows interesting and "real" the best way I can put it. But as high art, it will never get the recognition as such. She's just this gal, you know. She was being told how great she is, for doing something that when you think about it, is kinda silly.
She is not a doctor, saving lives. Not a fireman, inventor, or anyone else that has a major impact on society. She will never get the acclaim that Elizabeth Taylor, or Meryl Streep get.
Don't get me wrong. I love Buffy. It was a great show. But I have to admit I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to sit down and watch it. The premise is ludacrous on the surface. And if Buffy never existed, I and most of us, would never miss it.
Also, for the rest of her long career, she will be Buffy. She will always be the girl who was Buffy, a part she devoted a good chunk of her life. 7 years ain't nothing to an old fart like me, but at her age, its a good chunk of time.
So this has got to impact her self esteem, and that may in turn manifest itself by seeking validation, by acting like a diva and seeing if folks respond as if she is important.
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IMHO, good analysis.
wait, too much analysis though.
Everyone has a choice in what they do and how they behave. smg chose to do this at some point and also chooses to continue doing this. There are at least 6+ other examples of how else to behave. The correct response is not to support this sort of behaviour. Fortunately, this one is easy to do - as smg is as talentless as she is without redeeming qualities. Time to move on to better actor/actresses and better people/shows in general.
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Originally posted by Angeldove:
I feel that in the end it isn't really about what type of person SMG is, we are just disappointed, as obviously David and Joss are, that she is unwilling to do her duty and appear on Angel again as David did on Btvs for her. I really do believe that it is a slap in the face to the loyal fans of Btvs for her to just walk away never to pick up a stake again. And although Angel will do just fine without her, isn't so much left untapped that never got the chance to play out? Of course this is just my opinion.
Duty?
Do you really mean that?
I mean, I'll criticize her for dumping Buffy in order to go do a bunch of movies that sound... lackluster at best, sure. I'll criticize her for being a prima donna, happily. (And I am among those who think that between the papers and the explicit comments made by Joss et al that Gellar was a diva. Where there's smoke and whatnot.)
But I have real trouble with the notion of a duty to continue playing a character after one's contract to play that character has ended...
I mean, hell, if one of the Firefly actors lands a job as a regular on a show that turns out to be a Seinfeld or Friends level hit, are they obliged to drop that should Firefly ever come back? (Because, though Firefly might be successful, it is pretty unlikely that it's going to become the next Friends-sized hit)
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As reported in the current issue of TV Guide magazine, Sarah Michelle Gellar will not be back as Buffy this season, after all. The former star of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was in talks to do a two-episode arc on Buffy spinoff Angel. However, says Joss Whedon, creator of both supernatural series: "She feels it's not the right time." Asked about Gellar's decision to bail, Angel vamp David Boreanaz bares his fangs...
"I honestly don't know what happened," he grumpily tells TV Guide Online. "Why don't you ask her about it? I'm sure she'll come up with a good answer."
After simmering down — good thing his face doesn't contort monstrously, like it does on TV! — the actor looks to the future. Should Angel's fifth season turn out to be its last, Boreanaz hopes Gellar will at least do the final episode, if only to help him bite the dust in style. "If Sarah wants to come back for a final farewell — like I did for her on her series finale — that would be fantastic," he says. "Now, that's something for her to decide. That would be great, to have her. I think it would be great for the fans to see that.
"I think it's a responsibility to do those [farewell] shows and give the appreciation for the fans that are watching this," Boreanaz adds. "Those are the people that tune in and have made us who were are today. It's not like you do 50 or 100 episodes of a show and say, 'Screw you.' You have a responsibility to your fans, and that's important. You give as much as you can responsibly, as long as you're having fun with it."
Are you listening, Ms. Gellar? Buffy's fans are staking their hopes on it.
Yes I mean duty and my feeling came directly from this article that says I'm not the only one who thinks this way. And I am not saying do this forever, be Buffy forever, I just strongly feel that two or three episodes are very little to give back to those fans who have made her the star that she is. Yes and I just pissed off a lot of SMG fans with that last line, but I am a fan as well, but of Buffy, and now that SMG has played this part, we are all stuck with not seeing anyone else in this part. Can you imagine trying to have someone else fill in for her to do some guest shots on Angel to play out that side of her character, no, and it would never be done. That is the point I am trying to make. At this point she has all the control on whether we will ever see Buffy again, and I feel if not just for the fans, but for David and Joss, swallow your pride do a few eps, is it going to kill you?
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I imagine that she is justly afraid of being typecast.
I would be if I played the same role for 7 years on a popular cult show with a dedicated fandom.
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