And the System just keeps on working!

POSTED BY: Geezer
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GEEZER

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:27 PM

US detainees to get Geneva rights

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All US military detainees, including those at Guantanamo Bay, are to be treated in line with the minimum standards of the Geneva Conventions.
The White House announced the shift in policy on Tuesday, almost two weeks after the US Supreme Court ruled that the conventions applied to detainees.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5169600.stm

Slowly, but surely, it works.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

HERO

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

US detainees to get Geneva rights
Slowly, but surely, it works.

Its probably a lower standard then the Uniform Code of Military Justice requires. So, good job.

Also, what is a "detainee"? I think they mean the guys who get dressed in orange and have a serial number in a known facility. Does not include folk who are dressed in grey, without name or number and are somewhere "else".

H

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:01 PM

All I can say is... FINALLY!

After wiping his *ss with the Constitution for years, this gives me hope that Bush and Cheney will be tried for treason

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:03 PM

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this gives me hope that Bush and Cheney will be tried for treason

I wonder if Slick will say at that point - see ! the system works !

GEEZER

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
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this gives me hope that Bush and Cheney will be tried for treason
I wonder if Slick will say at that point - see ! the system works !

Exactly!

SignyM's hope is probably wishful thinking; but if someone can get an indictment, prove treason, and get a conviction - the system will have worked one more time, just like it's supposed to. On the other hand, if no one, despite their best efforts, can gather enough evidence to get the process rolling then the system will also have worked.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:45 PM

If we get a conviction, it works! If we don't get a conviction, it works! Circular logic. Stupid.

SO-what kind of evidence would show that the system DOESN'T work? (In your world, no such thing exists.)
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So PLEASE Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

HERO

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:47 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
After wiping his *ss with the Constitution for years, this gives me hope that Bush and Cheney will be tried for treason

Wow, thats an ironic comment. "Treason" is specifically defined as 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy'.

The ruling your applauding is about 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy' in accordance with our treaty obligations.

This in turn gives you hope that Bush will be tried for 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy'.

The only way this reasoning works for you is if you redefine Bush and Cheney as the "enemy" and the terrorists as not the "enemy"...perhaps merely members of an opposing political party with which you sometimes disagree.

In other words liberals can't defend America cause they can't see past their petty political interests.

H

GEEZER

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
If we get a conviction, it works! If we don't get a conviction, it works! Circular logic. Stupid.

Not quite what I said. You left out the important part.

If we get a conviction, based on evidence and the working of the legal process, it works!

If we don't get a conviction, because there's not enough evidence to either start the process or convince a jury, it works!

That's the way it's supposed to work all the time. You're found guilty or innocent based on the facts.

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SO-what kind of evidence would show that the system DOESN'T work? (In your world, no such thing exists.)

But that's the thing. The system usually does work, although sometimes more slowly than we'd like. If Bush stepped out of line on prisoner treatment, the system brought him back in line. If someone can prove his actions were criminal, instead of just in a grey area of law, fine and good.

But here's some things that would be outside the system, IMHO.

-The President successfully ordering major military action without the assent of Congress.
-Congress impeaching a President due to party rivalry, not proven malfeasence in office.
-The President or Congress refusing to obey a Supreme Court ruling.
-The electorial process being subverted by mob rule.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:56 PM

** damn you, double-post monster! **

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:59 PM

Of course the system would also be working, and even more effectively, if the voters were more discriminating in the first place.

I'm not sure how reassuring it is to acknowledge that our elected leaders are routinedly acting outside their constitutionally defined roles. I suppose it's too much to ask for our representatives to act with the restraint that would prevent these legal rebukes ever becoming necessary.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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