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Regarding N Korea, here's a great quote from Bush:
"Diplomacy takes a long time, sometimes."
Here are some other general notable quotes:
"Being the president is hard work."
"It's hard work.
" ... and it's hard work".
"It is hard work."
"Hard work."
"You know, It's hard work.
"Everybody knows it's hard work."
"We've done a lot of hard work."
"I've seen on the TV screens how hard it is.
"Yeah, I, I, I, I, uh ....."
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Originally posted by rue:
The thing you keep sliding over is that:
"In May 1994, North Korea shut down the reactor and removed about 8,000 fuel rods, which could be reprocessed into enough plutonium for 4-6 nuclear weapons. North Korea started operating the reactor again in February 2003."
"U.S. intelligence reportedly detected North Korean preparations to restart the plutonium reprocessing plant in February and March 2003."
"The Bush Administration disclosed on October 16, 2002, that North Korea had revealed
to U.S. Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly in Pyongyang that it was conducting a secret
nuclear weapons program based on the process of uranium enrichment. North Korea
admitted the program in response to U.S. evidence presented by Kelly. The program is
based on the process of uranium enrichment, in contrast to North Korea’s pre-1995 nuclear
program based on plutonium reprocessing. North Korea began a secret uranium enrichment
program after 1995 reportedly with the assistance of Pakistan. North Korea provided
Pakistan with intermediate range ballistic missiles in the late 1990s. The Central Intelligence Agency issued a statement in December 2002 that North Korea likely could produce two or more atomic bombs annually through uranium enrichment after 2004."
Note the part that goes, "North Korea
admitted the program in response to U.S. evidence presented by Kelly." and, "North Korea began a secret uranium enrichment program after 1995...".
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I point the finger at Bush.
Why am I not surprised?
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No one ever said just let's just trust the N Koreans and go along with whatever. SignyM argued for muscular multilateral action. I said sanctions are a vital tool.
So you both agree with Bush. He, along with Japan, South Korea, and most of Europe, is pursuing a U.N. resolution imposing sanctions on North Korea, and at the same time trying to re-start the six-party talks aimed at reducing nuclear tensions in the region.
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So, what do you suggest?
I agree with you and Bush. Sanctions and negotitions. I'm not too sure China, and maybe Russia, will support this. Let's see.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by rue:
Here are some other general notable quotes:
"Being the president is hard work."
"It's hard work.
" ... and it's hard work".
"It is hard work."
"Hard work."
"You know, It's hard work.
"Everybody knows it's hard work."
"We've done a lot of hard work."
"I've seen on the TV screens how hard it is.
"Yeah, I, I, I, I, uh ....."
Can't disagree with any of the above statements. Turns out, and I have this on good authority, being President is hard work.
H
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Quote:North Korea knows this is their best and maybe only chance to thumb their nose at us and get away with it w/out a scratch; we are spread thin these days. This gains them international face, and sets them up as a world player (locally, anyway). It's a chess move. To understand it's ultimate, long range meaning, you have to get inside Kim's head, and I know I can't do that.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
"Some experts believe... Your results may vary"
So you believe North Korea wants...what?
Wanna try, Checkmate fans?
Knightly takes Chrisisall
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Quote:What happened was this - during talks with Korea Kelly said: we have info you're enriching uranium. The delegates went off to consult with Dear Leader, came back the next day and said: yes, we are, and even more dangerous things as well !
The Bush Administration disclosed on October 16, 2002, that North Korea had revealed to U.S. Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly in Pyongyang that it was conducting a secret nuclear weapons program based on the process of uranium enrichment.
Bluff or admission?
Hard to tell. But if N Korea had uranium enrichment, why would they immediately restart plutonium processing? The other reason this 'factoid' smells is that it's unconfirmed. This is all based on one statement made at (essentially) a negotiating table. There appears to be NO substantiating data. And having been at more negotiations than I'd like, from observation I can say there is always a negotiating strategy at work. You never start with your bottom line.
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Zero,
"Turns out, and I have this on good authority, being President is hard work." Oh yeah. You chat with the shrub all the time.
swallowing pretzels is hard ...
hard swallowing work ...
swallowing hard pretezels is hard ...
pretzels work me hard ...
AWWWWwwwww NUTS !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"The Bush Administration disclosed on October 16, 2002, that North Korea had revealed to U.S. Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly in Pyongyang that it was conducting a secret nuclear weapons program based on the process of uranium enrichment."
What happened was this - during talks with Korea Kelly said: we have info you're enriching uranium. The delegates went off to consult with Dear Leader, came back and said: yes we do, and even more dangerous things as well !
Bluff or admission? Hard to tell. But if N Korea had uranium enrichment, why would they restart plutonium processing?
Well, we have the defector telling us they started uranium enrichment in 1996, and then the North Korean government admits starting enrichment after 1995. Even if they are both lying about it, they are still professing that they violated the 1994 treaty by 1996. Sort of supports my point that they can't be trusted.
And why restart plutonium processing? They already have the plants built, and can produce more weapons-grade material using both processes. More nukes for L'il Kim.
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The other reason this 'factoid' smells is that it's unconfirmed. This is all based on one statement made at (essentially) a negotiating table.
Plus the defector. And it's rather difficult to confirm anything about North Korea, since you can't just waltz in and check stuff. Remember that this is the country which would rather ban free relief supplies and let its citizens starve rather than let the World Food Program monitor food deliveries to assure it's going to the hungry rather than to military stockpiles.
I realize that you have a bias towards anyone who might stick it to Bush, but trying to make North Korea seem like anything but a danger to everyone around it just ain't gonna fly.
And, hey! You and Dubya do agree on the sanctions and multi-party negotiations track. What's up with that?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Now see, there you go again, misquoting me. Where did I ever say the world or the US should trust N Korea? Please feel free to quote me. Search the entire database. I'd welcome it.
I just think that hysterical gibbering over N Korea's supposed past activities is 'the dog ate my homework' type of lame. 2003 is when NK verifiably re-started its plutonium work in direct response to Bush's policies. It doesn't take a genius to figure Bush screwed up.
And when it comes to diplomacy, as far as I can figure out, the US has no other choice. The big problem is that it now has no currency with China or Russia. That is also a Bush screw-up.
PS Keep it up and I'll be calling you "Slick" again. You're backsliding into mis-quoting, mis-stating and baiting. Stick to the topic, if you can.
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Originally posted by rue:
Now see, there you go again, misquoting me. Where did I ever say the world or the US should trust N Korea? Please feel free to quote me. Search the entire database. I'd welcome it.
Probably because I never said that. I stated that their deviousness supports my contention that they can't be trusted. Where did I ever say you think the world or the US should trust North Korea? Please feel free to quote me. Search the entire database. I'd welcome it.
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I just think that hysterical gibbering over N Korea's supposed past activities is 'the dog ate my homework' type of lame. 2003 is when NK verifiably re-started its plutonium work in direct response to Bush's policies. It doesn't take a genius to figure Bush screwed up.
Hey, maybe they were just BSing us then too. You can't have it both ways. "Oh, they were just kidding about starting uranium enrichment during the Clinton administration in 1996, but it's for sure they really started up their plants when they said in 2003, under Bush." The word "disengenuous" comes to mind.
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PS Keep it up and I'll be calling you "Slick" again. You're backsliding into mis-quoting, mis-stating and baiting. Stick to the topic, if you can.
Rue, everything is Bush to you. It doesn't matter that North Korea is actually an evil place. People are escaping from there to Communist China, for heaven's sake. It doesn't matter that they share borders with China, who are their major trading partners and Commie buddies, and South Korea, which only wants peace and re-unification, and they still maintain a million man army (1 out of every 23 people in the country). It doesn't matter who is the US president. North Korea has been working the exact same plan for the past 55 years. They have no reason to change. But as far as you can see, it's all Bush's fault. Call me Slick, call me Ray, call me Jay, call me Johnson, but please figure out that Bush isn't the problem here, North Korea is.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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