Act of War
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2025 18:56
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Quote:where as yours:
Originally posted by Hero:
Your contribution to the discussion is already a bit lacking in substance...case in point:
Quote:Is all kinds of pertinent (especially since this sentance is much closer to YOUR continued remarks than anyone elses).
You- "Yeah, shut up troll, we hate Bush and if you don't say exactly what we say then your not allowed to speak. And quit asking for reaonable disucssion by people of diverse political, social, and economic backgrounds bringing a variety of ideas and ideals to be debated in an open forum...thats for trolls. Didn't you see the sign...'no ideas allowed."
Maybe you can explain how the "Liberals shouldn't have a voice in true democracy" supposition singles you out as having a greater grasp of the North Korean situation, or indeed your abillity to cheer at the TV while watching other people fight for your undoubtably 'brave' self?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
if I were in charge 'democracy' would be a lot better because I'd always get my own way."
I guess we can agree on that.
Running things may way, hmmm: Imagine a world were people are judged by what they do, not where they are born or who they are born to. A world where people are free to live and worship and believe what they will. A world of educated and enlightened persons debating the issues of the day and coming to democratic consensus for solutions. A world where the Browns hosted and won the next super bowl and stadium dog were $1 each and the halftime salute to Firefly's 6th Season premiring right after the game and my wife Jessica Alba getting along great with my girlfriend Kelly Monaco, and puppies for everyone...good puppies labs, not those crappy little toy dogs, and free doughnuts that don't make you fat, and High Definition...now tell me I wouldn't have your vote!
Hero in 2008!
H
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I looked into this. The Chinese and the Russians are not as enamored of N Korea as your post suggests. I know from previous reading the Chinese are already dealing with a refugee problem and Russia has similar concerns should N Korea utterly disintegrate. They're a wee bit pissed with N Korea but don't like the idea of sanctions because of resulting refugees. Their approach is economic reform and engagement. Since they're living far closer to the problem than we are (I'm sure N Korean missiles could already hit China and Russia no matter HOW defective they are!) perhaps we should follow their lead. Nonetheless, it costs us nothing to enter into bilateral talks, provided that we're all on the same page. (Parents- you know what I'm talking about.)
As far as not bargaining in good faith, have you - good conservative that you are- never heard of "trust but verify"? Reasonable negotiators should always include steps by which BOTH parties can verify that the other is keeping their end of a bargain. In any case, it's not as if the US is negotiating with a "herd" of anyhting. From what I understand of N Korea, whoever negotiates with N Korea is actually just negotiating with ONE person, really. And that person has more than one weakness and would prolly be more than happy to be a producer in Hollywood! 
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
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ZERO
These were my contributions to intelligent discussion:Quote:
Since I know someone who works with the US missile defense system, I can say with near certainty the US did NOT shoot it down.Quote:
Weird how you skipped right over that.
So anyway, to get to the topic at hand.
The Japanese say the missile was aimed at Hawaii. The US said it failed too early in flight to calculate a trajectory. Who do YOU believe ?? It's not like the administration would ever lie about something like that. OTOH, without any kind of backup info (how did the Japanese figure out the target anyway ?) it makes their claims sound like exaggerated guesses at best....
The person I know programs the missile defense targeting system. If he says it couldn't, then, as certain as one can be about anything in life, it couldn't.
Back in Clinton's day, the N Korean nuclear facilities were decommissioned, sealed, and under constant realtime TV monitoring. Bush got the US into this situation. Anyone who claims other wise is an idiot or a liar. :rollseyes:
So what are possible solutions?
On the military side, unilaterally striking N Korea would antagonize China and Russia. Does the US really need to pick a fight with a brat whose mommy and daddy each could beat it to a pulp? (US leverage over either country alone or both together is non-existent, and they have leverage over the US. China owns the US through debt, and Russia has oil plus potential control over nearby oil. They BOTH have ways around the missile defense system which has to so with actively altering the trajectory to evade targeting calculation.)
The US really has no choice but to go through the UN multilaterally (that US tries so hard to go around at all costs), or to talk with N Korea.
SignyM makes a lot of sense.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Oh I don't know Zero, what COULD the benefits of you two going away be ???
A real discussion of the weapons capability of N Korea. A real discussion of the capability of the US missile defense system. Intelligent postings about the 'geopolitical' realites of N Korea, China, Russia and the US. Intelligent discussion.
Your contribution to the discussion is already a bit lacking in substance...case in point:Quote:
"I vote we get together a battalion of sabre-rattling chairborne rangers led by Hero and Auraptor and drop them in North Korea ..."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha .... LMAOROTF
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your style of "intellegent discussion". Could you clarify your "HA HA HA" remark in the context of our discussion or maybe show us the proof of your further and intriging "ha ha ha" contention as regards to global sociopolictal dynamics.
Or maybe your just a dumbass (again using that term in its legal context meaning that you are in fact so stupid that scientists are at this moment studying monkeys with both a greater grasp on the Korean crisis then you seem to have as well as the ability to smoke and throw crap).
H
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Rue- your contributions were too complicated for Hero. His eyes glazed over 'cause you didn't have your saber rattling. Remember- for him everything reduces to the level of the playground, so keep it stoopid.
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Can't resist the occasional ad hominem.
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
where as yours:
You- "Yeah, shut up troll, we hate Bush and if you don't say exactly what we say then your not allowed to speak. And quit asking for reaonable disucssion by people of diverse political, social, and economic backgrounds bringing a variety of ideas and ideals to be debated in an open forum...thats for trolls. Didn't you see the sign...'no ideas allowed."
By God your right...thats the only thing I've posted. Better tell the guy who started this discussion...he's gonna be pissed at me for not contributing...
H
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Quote:Now Imagine a world run by Hero.
Originally posted by Hero:
I guess we can agree on that.
Running things may way, hmmm: Imagine a world were people are judged by what they do, not where they are born or who they are born to. A world where people are free to live and worship and believe what they will. A world of educated and enlightened persons debating the issues of the day and coming to democratic consensus for solutions. A world where the Browns hosted and won the next super bowl and stadium dog were $1 each and the halftime salute to Firefly's 6th Season premiring right after the game and my wife Jessica Alba getting along great with my girlfriend Kelly Monaco, and puppies for everyone...good puppies labs, not those crappy little toy dogs, and free doughnuts that don't make you fat, and High Definition...now tell me I wouldn't have your vote!
'Liberalism' a crime, disagreeing with Hero is a crime, being poor a crime punishable by 'working off your debts' in one of Hero's
Hundreds of Women enslaved as Hero's personal prostitutes, but prostitution is of course a crime punishable by death. So infact they aren't prositutes at all, they also have a choice, they can sleep with Hero or they can be shot.
A State Security Committee headed by Hero himself, who do what's needed to get things done (like secretly tapping any phone, bugging any house, dragging any person of the street).
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by rue:
So how did that horrible Jimmy Carter (pansy-assed Democratic heritage) manage to get the N Koreans to shutter their nuclear facilites and put them under 24 hour surveillance?
Oh. So since they're still shuttered and under 24 hour surveillance, I guess we don't have anything to worry about.
Except the fact that they had a secret program going and claimed in April 2003 to have processed 8000 fuel rods into plutonium and created nuclear weapons. Not to mention that they publicly started up their nuclear program again and refused any inspection.
Reading this Congressional Research Service paper, it would seem that North Korea violated almost all the terms of the treaty, while receiving many trade and energy benefits.
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/IB91141.pdf
I guess maybe this was a successful negotiation from the North Korean perspective, but not from ours.
Also, that's no way to talk about Pres. Carter. His failing as a politician was that he believed that everyone had some good inside. This is a fine attribute for a humanitarian, but not so much for a leader of the free world.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Now ZERO, let's discuss your contributions to intelligent debate:
And yours?
.... North Korea has fired a missile at an American State
Rhetoric, the US says the trajectory was indeterminable
The Korean War ended with an Armistice, no peace treaty was ever signed. They have broken the armistice, game on. I suggest we try the old "bombing begins in five minutes" doctrine.
Rhetoric
It is possible that the missile carried a weapon of mass destruction.
Unproven
American doctrine has been and must remain mutual assurred (sic)destruction
False
If you think that what the North Koreans want is to sit down with us, then your (sic) as big an idiot as Carter or those fools who thought Hitler could be appeased.
False analogy, ad hominem
North Korea's goal is to turn American public opinion against defending South Korea.
Unproven
Liberalism can't defend this country because of crazy notions like yours.
Ad hominem
They advocate doing as little as possible, then blame the conservatives when we get attacked.
Straw man
Life without Heroes:
You- "I hate Bush."
You #2- "I hate Bush too."
You #3- "Heah guys guess what? I hate Bush."
You- "You do, me too, what do you hate most about him?"
You #3- "Bush."
You- "Oh yes, I agree, your so smart."
You #2- "We know that we don't like Bush...why don't we like him...specifically?"
You #3- "Bush? I hate him thats why."
You- "Yeah, shut up troll, we hate Bush and if you don't say exactly what we say then your not allowed to speak. And quit asking for reaonable disucssion by people of diverse political, social, and economic backgrounds bringing a variety of ideas and ideals to be debated in an open forum...thats for trolls. Didn't you see the sign...'no ideas allowed."
Ad hominem, straw man
Quote:Was this a quote as you imply? No such quote or significant portion shows up on google. Or are you now just making things up?
'It shall be the policy of this nation that any missile launched from North Korea against any target on land or water, whether test or not, shall be deemed a nuclear attack by North Korea against the United States and this nation will respond accordingly.'
He said "please" and offered lots of cash, they agreed and he went home...very effective.
False
Or maybe your just a dumbass (again using that term in its legal context meaning that you are in fact so stupid that scientists are at this moment studying monkeys with both a greater grasp on the Korean crisis then you seem to have as well as the ability to smoke and throw crap).
Ad hominem
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