Liberals can't defend America

POSTED BY: Hero
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EXODUS

Friday, July 7, 2006 3:29 AM

Boys, boys, tone it down in the arguing. Listen, you want the honest truth from a Moderate well here it is. Hero for the most part has been correct, his sense of ideology is good and he can identify a conservative or a liberal while blindfolded. What I am finding here is that most of the arguments the liberals here are making are poor. You see, I like peace just as much as a liberal person does. The thing is, I do not want to get screwed over while attempting to achieve peace. Hypothetical situation here... say we have peace talks with the North Koreans, we will probably have to meet their demands or have no peace talks. I do not think that the USA should be anyone's bitch, they fought hard to where they are and they deserve it (just for the heads up, I am a Canuck and not all of us are liberal here).

Now it may seem as though I am attacking the liberals only but I am not. The problem with conservatives is they are extremely corrupt. Corrupt in the sense that they are very capitalistic and love money a bit too much. The conservative's pursuit for the dollar bill is the reason I am not a full-fledged conservative. That being said, Hero's points did not involve money but rather ideology and as I stated in an earlier post, ideologically I am a conservative fair and square.

Either way, insults and angry arguments should not be flying around. We may have our differences but in the end we all still love Firefly so that should be good enough for all of us.

SOUPCATCHER

Friday, July 7, 2006 5:30 AM

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Originally posted by Exodus:
Boys, boys, tone it down in the arguing. Listen, you want the honest truth from a Moderate well here it is. Hero for the most part has been correct, his sense of ideology is good and he can identify a conservative or a liberal while blindfolded. What I am finding here is that most of the arguments the liberals here are making are poor. You see, I like peace just as much as a liberal person does. The thing is, I do not want to get screwed over while attempting to achieve peace. Hypothetical situation here... say we have peace talks with the North Koreans, we will probably have to meet their demands or have no peace talks. I do not think that the USA should be anyone's bitch, they fought hard to where they are and they deserve it (just for the heads up, I am a Canuck and not all of us are liberal here).

Now it may seem as though I am attacking the liberals only but I am not. The problem with conservatives is they are extremely corrupt. Corrupt in the sense that they are very capitalistic and love money a bit too much. The conservative's pursuit for the dollar bill is the reason I am not a full-fledged conservative. That being said, Hero's points did not involve money but rather ideology and as I stated in an earlier post, ideologically I am a conservative fair and square.

Either way, insults and angry arguments should not be flying around. We may have our differences but in the end we all still love Firefly so that should be good enough for all of us.

Quick question: Who are the liberals here? You name everyone in this thread who you think is a liberal and we'll check your accuracy.

Some more questions. Which Senators and Congressmen (or Congresswomen) are liberals? What are some standard liberal policies?

The reason why I ask these questions is because I have often found people use liberal as a very broad category. Many people consider Democrats as liberals. Maybe yes, maybe no. Many people consider anyone who doesn't agree with President Bush a liberal. Maybe yes, maybe no.

Since you have an understanding of the distinctions between liberals and conservatives that is fine-tuned enough to judge someone else's labelling abilities you should be able to answer these questions easily.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2006 7:20 AM

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What I am finding here is that most of the arguments the liberals here are making are poor. You see, I like peace just as much as a liberal person does. The thing is, I do not want to get screwed over while attempting to achieve peace... say we have peace talks with the North Koreans, we will probably have to meet their demands or have no peace talks.

It depends on what you mean by "screwed over". As far as I know the N Koreans "demand" bilateral talks. I think we can manage that w/o getting "screwed over", don't you?

I think the problem is you see ANY negotiation as a "defeat". What you REALLY want is the USA imposing its terms on anyone and everyone unilaterally. If we can do that then everyone fears us, but we'll have to spend all our resources patrolling the schoolyward looking for the twerp who's growing a few hairs on his chin and who looks like he may be making friends of his own. And then we're going to have to pound on him pre-emptively because he might be a threat "some day". And then we're going to have to do that over and over ad infinitum, because once you start down that track everyone not only fears you, they hate you.

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EXODUS

Friday, July 7, 2006 1:18 PM

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Quick question: Who are the liberals here? You name everyone in this thread who you think is a liberal and we'll check your accuracy.

I never stated I was accurate, I stated Hero was accurate. That being said who is to say that your conservative/liberal accuracy is better than mine? I know a lot about both sides and I think I can determine which is which with 99% accuracy. Anyways, here is my list.

-Citizen
-SergeantX
-Fremdfirma
-Soupcatcher

There were some others who made liberal comments but I do not deem them liberal because at the same time they made some conservative comments as well.

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Some more questions. Which Senators and Congressmen (or Congresswomen) are liberals? What are some standard liberal policies?

Beats me, I'm not American.

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The reason why I ask these questions is because I have often found people use liberal as a very broad category. Many people consider Democrats as liberals. Maybe yes, maybe no. Many people consider anyone who doesn't agree with President Bush a liberal. Maybe yes, maybe no.

I sometimes disagree with Bush yet I still affiliate myself with conservatism. Does that make me a liberal?

CITIZEN

Friday, July 7, 2006 3:17 PM

I'm not an American so my definitions of Liberal and Conservative are somewhat different to Hero's or your's, it would seem.

Though from your comments I can say with perfect certainty:

You really don't strike me as a moderate.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HERO

Friday, July 7, 2006 3:56 PM

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Some more questions. Which Senators and Congressmen (or Congresswomen) are liberals? What are some standard liberal policies?

Liberals include folk like Kennedy, Kerry, any female Senator for California, any really old Democrats who are former Klan members, any Demcrat who does not live in New Hampshire or Iowa but finds themselves strangley attracted to Corn festivals and little town meetings near the Candian border, and all the former first ladies in the US Senate representing states they never lived in until they needed an office. That doesn't cover all the liberals...but it gives you a starting place.

Not all Democrats are full fedged liberals. Take Joe Leiberman. You want to see how things have changed, here is the same guy he was in 2000, but the party is moving away from him. Zell Miller, life long Democrat, giving the Republican keynote address in '04. Sam Nunn, former Democratic Senator was short-listed for Defense Secretary. Bob Casey, pro-life and very popular Democratic Governor of PA denied a voice at the 1992 convention. I think that many Democrats who were moderates or mainstream liberals are finding themselves squeezed out by an increasingly radical liberal agenda that includes seeing America defeated in the hopes of using that as a means of achieving power they can't seem to win at the ballot box.

Liberal policies include but are not limited too: abortion on demand for all women and girls over the age of alive, national health care, no more rich people or corporate profits, no more military...or at least much smaller and without weapons, inf fact no weapons for anybody, no smoking except pot, no driving, no foriegn policy that involves us standing for anything, no violence or sex in video games, lots of violence and sex in movies and on TV, no sexism...except against men, no racisim, except against non-blacks, and nothing in the above to be interpreted as a limitation upon the liberal elite from engaging in any of the proscribed or mandated activities which they demand of the rest of us. In other words John Kerry and Ted Kennedy can smoke, drive an SUV with his rich friends and their black servants, gated communities, with their private doctors, and so on...

H

EXODUS

Friday, July 7, 2006 4:04 PM

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You really don't strike me as a moderate.

Conservative/Moderate were the words I used.

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, July 7, 2006 4:53 PM

" The United States managed very well for a couple of hundred years w/o being an empire, and what we’re doing now is a far cry from what the Founders ever envisioned. "

I would say the US always wanted to be an empire....

The war of 1812, the Spanish American war, the Mexican American war, the military occupation of Hawaii, etc

I would suggest this has always been the nature of the US

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

EXODUS

Friday, July 7, 2006 5:08 PM

Agreed, I believe the USA was/is an Empire mainly because of its imperialistic intentions. I mean they have so many states and then they have colonies as well all over the world. The USA is definitely an empire in my books.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2006 5:27 PM

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Liberals include folk like Kennedy, Kerry, any female Senator for California

Aw c'mon man, get with the program! Feinstein is the biggest foreign policy shill that Bush has!

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