Liberals can't defend America
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Saturday, July 15, 2006 16:08
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Originally posted by Hero:
1993-2000 were wasted years for national defense.
Defense - Military spending between 1993-2000 was $2.1 trillion. You're saying all that money was wasted. In other words, you're saying that the entire Defense Department was incompetent between 1993-2000.
Why do you have so little faith in the competency of our armed forces, Hero?
You think liberals are to blame for many things. I get it. But in your effort to attack liberals what you end up doing is smearing millions of Americans by arrogantly insinuating that they don't know how to do their jobs. Your blanket statements mask contempt and highlight an assumption that the military only knows what they are doing under a Republican administration. You ignore that the composition of the military does not change. It's the same people doing the same job no matter who is President. So cut them some slack.
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Hero, why in God's name would the DOD keep a successful missile defense secret, particularly after so many test failures?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero, why in God's name would the DOD keep a successful missile defense secret, particularly after so many test failures?
One, because I was not being serious. Two, because keeping it secret keeps our enemies and potential enemies in the dark as to our capabilities.
H
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Defense - Military spending between 1993-2000 was $2.1 trillion. You're saying all that money was wasted. In other words, you're saying that the entire Defense Department was incompetent between 1993-2000.
No, just everyone from the Defense Secretary on up. During the '90s the size of our army was slashed in half. Our bases were closed by the bushel. Vital weapon and defense systems were delayed. It was so bad it was a key issue in 2000.
In 2001 we began a review of the entire Defense Department to modernize our capability in the 21st Century...turned out it was too late, just a few months later we were at war.
Imagine if we'd had another light infantry division (my favorites were the 6th and 7th from the old RDF days) and maybe a couple more independant heavy brigades...all in the regular army. Then perhaps your Iraqi 'we didn't send enough troops' and 'the National Guard is too thin' wouldn't be so easy to make.
H
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Hero- You react to any military limit as if it were part of a swarm of deadly insects. You yelp and stamp about in a frenzy. EVERY weapons system, every surveillance program, every dollar is absolutely VITAL to fight Islamists, North Koreans, Chinese, Russians, French... pretty much the whole damn world.
Tell me- how does it feel to live in such fear all day, every day? Does it make you feel important?
Doesn't it make you tired?
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Quote:Oh, you mean like Saddam Hussein and the phantom WMD?
Hero, why in God's name would the DOD keep a successful missile defense secret, particularly after so many test failures?- Signy
One, because I was not being serious. Two, because keeping it secret keeps our enemies and potential enemies in the dark as to our capabilities.- Hero
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Well, I know you never post-edit. 
It was the "Pirate News, please stop." thread where you mentioned you recently prosecuted someone (for 'defamation') b/c they had created a website under someone else's name to ruin that person's reputation.
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Originally posted by rue:
Zero said he 'prosecuted' a character defamation case. I realize you are not US, but to your knowledge, is this a criminal or civil procedure ?
I don't believe I ever said such a thing. Can you cite this comment by me? You may have misunderstood it, or perhaps you are confusing me with this "Zero" character you have invented to justify your lack of substantive argument.
H
I didn't swear to it, and besides, the only bad thing about perjury is getting caught.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero- You react to any military limit as if it were part of a swarm of deadly insects. You yelp and stamp about in a frenzy. EVERY weapons system, every surveillance program, every dollar is absolutely VITAL to fight Islamists, North Koreans, Chinese, Russians, French... pretty much the whole damn world.
American history, including twice in the last century, is filled with this country waiting until its in a war before getting ready to fight it. It was lamented by Will Rogers in 1940, Abraham Lincoln in 1861, and George W. Bush before the 2000 election.
Yet in my lifetime we have another example. In 1981 Ronald Reagan took office. He proclaimed that America would defeat the 'Evil Empire' and he set about preapring this nation for that military confrontation. That military buildup and the great renewed vision of liberty fostered by Ronald Reagan, Margeret Thatcher, the Pope, Helmet Kole, and even Francois Mitterand to no small extent, they committed themselves to policies of military preparedness and avoided the terrible conflict though inevitable by the contempory American liberal establishment.
That buildup was eventually used in 1991 in a war no one intended. There we crushed in days the world's 4th largest army, one hardened by combat veterans and equiped with some of the latest Soviet equipment and doctrine then available, achieving a military and psychological victory so extreme that Saddam's Iraq never recovered.
There is a difference between reasonable defense management, as many Democrats like Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, and Sam Nunn have pursued as opposed to the legacy of coming down on the wrong side of every national defense policy or program for decades as practiced by the hard core liberals of this country like Kerry, Kennedy, and Gore (Clinton to a lesser extent...and his wife the Senator, eh, depends on her audiance).
H
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Originally posted by rue:
Well, I know you never post-edit.
Thanks, I remember the discussion, I wish I could remember the thread so I could check what I wrote.
What I believe I said, and perhaps you misunderstood me was exactly as you have it above. I prosecuted a person for creating a website under another's name and ruining their reputation.
The aggrieved party has a defamation claim at civil law, but my interest was prosecuting the other party for under the Indentity Fraud law.
As you know you can't use another's name to get money or cause them injury. Its against the law in many if not all states and there's a federal law on the books as well.
I believe thats what I said in the other thread, if you find it let me know and we'll look together to see that I'm remembering it correctly and that you are a dumbass (its a technical legal term I am forced to use because you so correctly stated my position in the above quotation yet so completly missed the obvious conclusion...Identity Fraud, dumbass).
H
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Originally posted by rue:
Hey Gino,
Zero said he 'prosecuted' a character defamation case. I realize you are not US, but to your knowledge, is this a criminal or civil procedure ?Quote:
nice rant by the way, does it really work for you in the courtroom ?Quote:
To me it sounds civil.....
But I have trouble beliving someone can argue so sternly with so little understanding of both sides of a position being a succesful solicitor
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