Liberals can't defend America
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Saturday, July 15, 2006 16:08
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Quote:Actually I think I failed to get my point across, completely my fault.
Originally posted by Causal:
I must respectfully disagree on this point. There's been plenty of finger pointing by liberals over the aftermath of hurricane Katrina and the handling of the Iraq war. There's been plenty of insults and blaming from both sides of the political spectrum. Finger pointing and blame shifting aren't conservative or liberal traits, they're human traits, and both sides engage in them frequently, and with gusto.
Yeah both Liberals and Conservatives finger point, but in political debate I more often see Conservatives saying "Liberals are evil/cowards/immoral/smell of cheese" than anything similar coming from Liberals.
For instance right here, Hero the conservative starts yet another "Liberals are all cowards who want to destroy the US thread". Neglecting to mention that it is Conservatives sitting at home sending other peoples kids to war, and as many of those kids are Liberals as they are Conservative, perhaps more so.
I fail to see the bravery in sending another persons kid to die because you are not prepared to send yourself or your family in to the firing line. I'm sick of the hypocracy from a man who thinks sitting at home watching other people fight to make you feel safe on TV is brave.
I also fairly solidly put it as extreme conservatives. People like Hero who dreams of the day Liberals will all be in camps.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Now its perfectly safe for North Korea to sail its Chinese made, brand new, diesel-electric subs right up to our carriers and blow them out of the water ending American naval control of the Pacific Ocean. Perhaps the Chinese could sail one of their own right into and back out of Pearl Harbor. We wouldn't even know until it was too late. Good job liberals. Making the world safe for the enemies of freedom everwhere.Quote:
Judge Temporarily Bars Navy Use of Sonar
Jul 03 2:59 PM US/Eastern
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LOS ANGELES
A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order Monday barring the Navy from using a type of sonar, allegedly harmful to marine mammals, during a Pacific warfare exercise scheduled to begin this week.
The order comes three days after the Navy obtained a six-month national defense exemption from the Defense Department allowing it to use "mid-frequency active sonar."
Environmental groups had sued to stop the sonar use during the exercises off Hawaii. The sonar portion of the war games was set to start Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper wrote in her order that the plaintiffs "have shown a possibility that RIMPAC 2006 will kill, injure, and disturb many marine species, including marine mammals, in waters surrounding the Hawaiian Islands."
To be fair I don't really know if she's liberal. My evidence is suspect. First of all its a female federal judge in California who hyphens her name. Or there is this:Quote:
Cooper, Florence-Marie
Born 1940 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Central District of California
Nominated by William J. Clinton on July 14, 1999, to a seat vacated by Linda H. McLaughlin; Confirmed by the Senate on November 10, 1999, and received commission on November 15, 1999.
Not content with American liberals, he imports one from Canada. Wonder if she's legal...
H
As mentioned by others it's fairly plain that this refers to a "specific type" of Sonar found to be harmful to marine life.
Then again, Depth charges are'nt particularly Fish friendly either.
I am sure that there are plenty of other machines that go "Ping" that will do the job just as well.
It is a shame,however, that there dont seem to be any judges willing to be as concerned about the many and varied kinds of polutants, contaminants, Nuclear waste etc that end up floating on top of or sinking to the bottom of our Oceans. Mostly sent there by good old Conservative business people willing to cut any corner to keep the Market working for them.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah both Liberals and Conservatives finger point, but in political debate I more often see Conservatives saying "Liberals are evil/cowards/immoral/smell of cheese" than anything similar coming from Liberals.
For instance right here, Hero the conservative starts yet another "Liberals are all cowards who want to destroy the US thread". Neglecting to mention that it is Conservatives sitting at home sending other peoples kids to war, and as many of those kids are Liberals as they are Conservative, perhaps more so.
I fail to see the bravery in sending another persons kid to die because you are not prepared to send yourself or your family in to the firing line. I'm sick of the hypocracy from a man who thinks sitting at home watching other people fight to make you feel safe on TV is brave.
I also fairly solidly put it as extreme conservatives. People like Hero who dreams of the day Liberals will all be in camps.
But isn't this very thing finger-pointing? Implying that Hero wants liberals in camps and complaining about how the conservatives are sending other people's children to die in a war? Does this not engage in some of the same mud slinging (albeit, in a more calm tone of voice) as the sorts of things that Hero is doing?
This is, after all, my frustration with our political system here in the states. Because we have a binary party system, all issues become binary issues, and all people become binary people. But both ideologies subtly imply that theirs is wholly correct and the other is wholly wrong. Thus what you wind up with is people unable to look at the issue in a complex way. If Hero says, "Liberals are weak on defense!" and then you say, "Conservatives are hypocritical war-mongers", you're both engaging in the same type of thing: the demonization of the other side of the binary equation. I just wish that we would realize that the actual reality of the situation is miles from binary--and then walk away from our conservative/liberal categories and start thinking critically about the issues.
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Editted to add: perhaps the reason you perceive conservatives as engaging more often in finger-wagging and insult-hurling is because when they do it, its finger-wagging and insult-hurling and when "liberals" do it, its fact-pointing-out and calling-it-like-it-is. I would venture to guess that those on the other side of the equation would say that the liberals are the ones that do it more--because they have the opposite perception.
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The biggest problem with these types of sonar is their is no conclusive proof that they are the cause... mind you as there is no proof they are not there must be more research into this
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/216520_orcas18.html
The implications of what damage widespread deployment could cause is more of a threat to marine life that the current pollution fiascos...
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Well Hero has actually said that he wants Liberals removed from society, so no it's not the same thing.
Conservatives are sending other people’s kids to war, Liberals do it too, of course, but I've not seen them calling Conservatives cowards while they're doing it, a favoured mantra from Conservatives, maybe you can dig up an account where that's happened for me?
Moving on it's different because I'm well aware that both Conservatives and Liberals are required, in a purely Liberal society you'd have people scared to leave their house in case they offended someone and were sent to 'offenders re-education'. In a purely conservative society you'd have people afraid to leave their house because vigilantes might decide walking that way isn't Conservative enough...
Same result, paranoia, fear, totalitarianism, the mechanisms for getting them are merely different.
But the problem with Liberals is pretty much what I said, they don't jump on Conservatives the way Conservatives jump on them. They don't tend to dignify an attack like Liberals are cowards with a response; I do because hell I think I might have a touch of Conservative in me after all. 
As for the last part, maybe you could point me to the "Conservatives are hypocritical war mongers" thread, because in the last two weeks there have been two "Liberals are cowards" threads...
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It's pretty clear traditional 'Liberals' and 'Conservatives' can't see past the ends of their power-mongering noses. I propose we revoke the voting rights of everyone stupid enough to vote for Republicans or Democrats in the last election. Start fresh.
SergeantX
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
It's pretty clear traditional 'Liberals' and 'Conservatives' can't see past the ends of their power-mongering noses.
Exactly!
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I propose we revoke the voting rights of everyone stupid enough to vote for Republicans or Democrats in the last election. Start fresh.
SergeantX
Heh.
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Originally posted by citizen:
As for the last part, maybe you could point me to the "Conservatives are hypocritical war mongers" thread, because in the last two weeks there have been two "Liberals are cowards" threads...
The issue is bigger than specific threads on this board. For a prime example of liberal finger-pointing and insult-slinging--in complete isolation from actual arguments or facts--look no further than Kanye West's declaration that George Bush doesn't care about black people.
My point is two-fold: 1) both conservatives and liberals engage in this type of behavior (call it X behavior, for simplicity; and 2) claiming that the conservatives engage in more X behavior than liberals is itself X behavior.
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Originally posted by Causal:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
As for the last part, maybe you could point me to the "Conservatives are hypocritical war mongers" thread, because in the last two weeks there have been two "Liberals are cowards" threads...
The issue is bigger than specific threads on this board. For a prime example of liberal finger-pointing and insult-slinging--in complete isolation from actual arguments or facts--look no further than Kanye West's declaration that George Bush doesn't care about black people.
My point is two-fold: 1) both conservatives and liberals engage in this type of behavior (call it X behavior, for simplicity; and 2) claiming that the conservatives engage in more X behavior than liberals is itself X behavior.
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You just have to watch any American election comercials to see that is true
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Quote:I see, we have Liberals on this board and Conservatives and the fact that the way they conduct themselves here is more in line with my predicate is inadmissible?
Originally posted by Casual:
The issue is bigger than specific threads on this board. For a prime example of liberal finger-pointing and insult-slinging--in complete isolation from actual arguments or facts--look no further than Kanye West's declaration that George Bush doesn't care about black people.
There's a big difference to saying George Bush doesn't care about black people and saying all Liberals are X, a huge difference, the two aren't even comparable.
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