Liberals can't defend America
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UPDATED: Saturday, July 15, 2006 16:08
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Now its perfectly safe for North Korea to sail its Chinese made, brand new, diesel-electric subs right up to our carriers and blow them out of the water ending American naval control of the Pacific Ocean. Perhaps the Chinese could sail one of their own right into and back out of Pearl Harbor. We wouldn't even know until it was too late. Good job liberals. Making the world safe for the enemies of freedom everwhere.
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Judge Temporarily Bars Navy Use of Sonar
Jul 03 2:59 PM US/Eastern
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LOS ANGELES
A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order Monday barring the Navy from using a type of sonar, allegedly harmful to marine mammals, during a Pacific warfare exercise scheduled to begin this week.
The order comes three days after the Navy obtained a six-month national defense exemption from the Defense Department allowing it to use "mid-frequency active sonar."
Environmental groups had sued to stop the sonar use during the exercises off Hawaii. The sonar portion of the war games was set to start Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper wrote in her order that the plaintiffs "have shown a possibility that RIMPAC 2006 will kill, injure, and disturb many marine species, including marine mammals, in waters surrounding the Hawaiian Islands."
To be fair I don't really know if she's liberal. My evidence is suspect. First of all its a female federal judge in California who hyphens her name. Or there is this:
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Cooper, Florence-Marie
Born 1940 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Central District of California
Nominated by William J. Clinton on July 14, 1999, to a seat vacated by Linda H. McLaughlin; Confirmed by the Senate on November 10, 1999, and received commission on November 15, 1999.
Not content with American liberals, he imports one from Canada. Wonder if she's legal...
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Yes Hero, there there, anyone who doesn't think like you deserves to die because they're evil, you are on a directly line from god, have a lolly and please don't drible on the furniture.
If you weren't a conservative you'd be able to do something about it yourself, but you are a conservative so you'll need someone else to do the hard and dirty work for you. 
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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"mid-frequency active sonar." because is kills marinelife needlessly
it does mean as you suggest that ALL sonar and detection gear is pulled from use...
most deep water sonar uses low end frequencys, and as I understand it the US passive arrays are nearly foolproof
mid range freq gear just isn't nessersary at this time
this has been along time coming... and a third party assessment of the effects of this tech should have started years ago
nice rant by the way, does it really work for you in the courtroom ?
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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Originally posted by Hero:
Now its perfectly safe for North Korea to sail its Chinese made, brand new, diesel-electric subs right up to our carriers and blow them out of the water ending American naval control of the Pacific Ocean.
Because, apparently, this particular tool is the ONLY way we have of figuring out what is going on under the sea. We're doomed. Doomed, I tell you. However did we manage to survive as a country without this particular type of sonar?
Why do you have so little faith in the competency of our armed forces, Hero?
* edit to change, "over the horizon" to "under the sea". brain fart. And to slightly modify the last sentence.
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Yes Hero, there there, anyone who doesn't think like you deserves to die because they're evil, you are on a directly line from god, have a lolly and please don't drible on the furniture.
If you weren't a conservative you'd be able to do something about it yourself, but you are a conservative so you'll need someone else to do the hard and dirty work for you.
I just find the whole liberal/conservative thing ridiculous. Both have some good points. Both have bad ones. Both have fringe nutballs, both have moderates. To make one or the other out as the savior of the American political system is to ignore the reality that they're all in the pockets of the campaign contributors. What we have is an oligarchy. GOP/DNC is just window dressing.
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Quote:Me too.
Originally posted by Causal:
I just find the whole liberal/conservative thing ridiculous.
But they're such convienient terms that there's no way to stop their usage.
Whatch gonna do Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Me too.
Originally posted by Causal:
I just find the whole liberal/conservative thing ridiculous.
But they're such convienient terms that there's no way to stop their usage.
Whatch gonna do Chrisisall
As do I...
I find my personnal beliefs go right and left depending on the issue
Thats is why I like the Canadian parliment vs the GOP/DNC system down south... in a minority government situation you have to build a consensus to achieve your goals ... this usually drops the nutjobs out of the picture and you find yourself travelling down the middle.
And the middle is a pretty nice place to be
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Pure Capitalism 'fails' just as surely as pure socialism or communism.
It's just Capitalism does it more insidiously, more silently. Communism quickly degrades into a totalitarian dictatorship, Capitilism slowly degrades into corporate Oligarchy.
But a thread like this (it's all their fault!) is uniquely conservative. Where ideology fails for the far right conservative, insults and blaming the other side for you short commings is sure to work.
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Quote:Rather than setting them up as president
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Thats is why I like the Canadian parliment vs the GOP/DNC system down south... in a minority government situation you have to build a consensus to achieve your goals ... this usually drops the nutjobs out of the picture and you find yourself travelling down the middle.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Pure Capitalism 'fails' just as surely as pure socialism or communism.
It's just Capitalism does it more insidiously, more silently. Communism quickly degrades into a totalitarian dictatorship, Capitilism slowly degrades into corporate Oligarchy.
Absolutely right. In Amusing Ourselves To Death Neil Postman argues that we have very nearly arrived at the kind of society described in Brave New World--but with television as the great opiate, not "soma". And Morris Berman, in Twilight of American Culture predicts that the cultural collapse of America will result in a corporate oligarchy, something you can already see in the behavior of corporations like Microsoft and Wal-Mart.
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But a thread like this (it's all their fault!) is uniquely conservative. Where ideology fails for the far right conservative, insults and blaming the other side for you short commings is sure to work.
I must respectfully disagree on this point. There's been plenty of finger pointing by liberals over the aftermath of hurricane Katrina and the handling of the Iraq war. There's been plenty of insults and blaming from both sides of the political spectrum. Finger pointing and blame shifting aren't conservative or liberal traits, they're human traits, and both sides engage in them frequently, and with gusto.
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