Dead Terrorists

POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Friday, June 30, 2006 06:11
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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 8, 2006 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
It was a long-sought victory in the war in Iraq.

All right, that's good, can we go home now?

What! There's MORE where He came from? You're KIDDING! Then wtf did that accomplish? One down, hundreds-thousands-possibly tens of thousands to go?

You mean THERE'S NO END TO THIS?
Geez, it's a hot version of the Cold War all over again. We killed the Bear, and now we got the Jackel. We have to take on the whole zoo to win???

This is a stupid game.

Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 8, 2006 6:52 PM

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People fail to distinguish between a war on terrorism and a war on terrorists much like they fail to distingiush between a war on drugs versus a war on addicts, a war on poverty versus a war on poor people, and a war on illiteracy versus a war on illiterates.- SignyM

People don't make the distinction you do because unlike addicts, the poor, and illiterate... terrorists are not the victims.-Hero

Really? Then why do we throw addicts - and the homeless mentally ill- in jail instead of into rehab or the hospital? Why do we yank the social safety net out from under the poor just as they're about to go "splat" on the pavement- blaming them instead for laziness? Why do we grind people down with punitive bankruptcy laws w/o even allowing for catastrophic illness or overseas military service?

Somewhere in Hero's world (that black and white landscape between his ears) the USA distinguishes between victims and perps. But not in the real world. In the real world, we take a punitive non-synthetic approach to every problem, prefering to obliterate people rather than dealing with the cause.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Thursday, June 8, 2006 6:58 PM

I looked up just a very small sampling of Iraq's milestones, the ones that were supposed to change the course of the country:

Hussein's statue toppled (by hired workers)

Mission Accomplished !

Subduing Tikrit (at one point the insurgency was supposed to have been limited to this area, which could be easily dealt with)

Capturing Hussein (the loyalists said to be driving the insurgency were supposed to give up and crawl away)

Fallujah (taking it - in 2004 - was supposed to "break the back" of the insurgency)

Buying back arms in Baghdad

Voting

.... and yet, Iraq is more violent, more chaotic, than ever before. The US is running more airstrikes now than during the active phase of invading Iraq.

This is going well.

CITIZEN

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
we take a punitive non-synthetic approach to every problem, prefering to obliterate people rather than dealing with the cause.

Death solves all problems - no man, no problem. - Joseph Stalin.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

HERO

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
All right, that's good, can we go home now?

What! There's MORE where He came from? You're KIDDING! Then wtf did that accomplish? One down, hundreds-thousands-possibly tens of thousands to go?

Yeah, turns out wars have three phases. The start with a begining, and end with an ending and along the way they have a middle. During the war battles are won and lost and there's lots of the dying and screaming, and political wishwashy cowardess.

It would have been silly for the Army of the Potomac to disband and go home on July 4, 1863 despite having won a decisive victory. I'm sure quite a few would have wanted to, but the job wasn't done. Your philosophy would leave houses unfinished because the workers left after pouring the foundation or maybe a movie that wraps having shot only one scene.

Perhaps you simply lack an understanding about how wars work or maybe you just don't understand how jobs get done. As a liberal I suspect its a bit of both.

H

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:21 PM

Hero, I personally think that GW Bush is one of the biggest terrorists in the world. Still, I don't think that dropping a 500-pound bomb on the White House will solve the world's problems and I therefore don't advocate it.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:29 PM

Wow. I expected a blistering riposte but I apparently rendered Hero temprorarily speechless. Perhaps he choked on his coffee! Yes, my audacity is breathtaking and my plan is working!

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

HERO

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:33 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero, I persoanlly think that GW Bush is one of the biggest terrorists in the world.

You simply seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of terrorism. You don't know a terrorist when you see one...good thing your not in the military. It starts with this: Bush, good. Bin Ladden, evil. After that it just gets complicated and I don't want to tax your brain too much. The amazing thing is that grasping that basic concept does not mean becoming conservative. You can keep hugging your trees, advocating the release of convicted cop killers and buying Streisand albums. But the basic good vs. evil sentiment is like a moral compass, which unfortunately liberals seem to lack.

Here, I'll demonstrate. World under Bush, you can call Bush a terrorist and go on about your business. World under Bin Ladden, you can live life by his rules and still end up murdered.

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Still, I don't think that dropping a 500-pound bomb on the White House will solve the world's problems and I therefore don't advocate it.

That just means you lack the courage of your convictions, since terrorists don't respond well to sit-ins and placard waving.

H

HERO

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow. I expected a blistering riposte but I apparently rendered Hero temprorarily speechless. Perhaps he choked on his coffee!

I think your a bit overzealous. If I don't respond its either beause I'm too busy, I've gone home, or I'm simply allowing you to go unanswered. Still I think it was pretty quick, I managed to respond and make a single mother cry here in my office all in less then 15 minutes. Beat that!

H

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 8, 2006 7:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Perhaps you simply lack an understanding about how wars work or maybe you just don't understand how jobs get done. As a liberal I suspect its a bit of both.

H

I toyed with the idea of starting this reply with: "And as a fool..."

But I'm not gonna. I think I've grown...

See, you're okay with having thousands of Americans killed to secure oil supp- Sorry, I mean, to avenge American deaths at the World Tra- Sorry, I mean, to bring Democracy to- Sorry, I mean, to nab those WMD's- Sorry, I mean TO STOP TERRORISM.
I hold American, as well as non-American life a little more sacred than do you, apparently. It didn't HAVE to go down this way, but it's a way to your liking. We were NOT backed up against a wall with no other options, and you seem not to posess the imagination to see the possible alternatives, just like our President.
Your world is easy to understand and somewhat secure, but small. And I can't change that.

Perhaps you simply lack an understanding about how peace works or maybe you just don't understand how jobs get done. As a reactionary I suspect its a bit of both.

Chrisisall

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