Dead Terrorists
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Friday, June 30, 2006 06:11
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I support the use of vitamin-C, even though it aids in shortening the life of a cold virus too, what's your point?
Thanks for the clarification. You see the necessity of his death but are against celebrating his death. That I can completely understand. Isn't it great that I can ask a question of you and you can answer it and both of us come away from the discussion a little wiser.
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Seems like you're de-lurking to get yourself stirred up.
Well, at least I came away a little wiser from the exchange.
De-lurking to stir stuff up (but in a good way).
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Quote:Cool, my Browncoat brother.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
De-lurking to stir stuff up (but in a good way).
Chrisisall
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Quote:Hey Chris, I think you're a little off here. I mean, from yours and Signy's point of view, what you say makes sense, but it ain't what Hero's thinking.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I believe that was Hero's whole point; we are the might and we are right. Those dogs that copy us without prior written permission are wrong.
Originally posted by SignyM:
In other words, might makes right. Democracy, liberty and the rule of law don't come into it.
Simplifying Chrisisall
Just as it ain't paranoia when they're actually out to get you, it ain't totalitarianism when your government is actually right. Hero's position is that America is a little bit infallible when it comes to going to war. We simply don't do it for the wrong reasons, it's not possible. Viet Nam really was necessary to keep the communists from overrunning the Earth, and this War on Terror is equally necessary to keep Bin Ladden out of the White House.
What's ironic is that, really, it's America's progressive past that justifies Hero's jingoism. American liberalism, freeing slaves, granting women the right to vote, the civil rights movement, constitutional democracy itself, these are the things that make Americans feel so good about this country. We are the good guys, and because we are so good, we are incapable of going to war for the wrong reasons. The politicians may try to manipulate us, but it is our national character that demanded that we do something about the terrorists and it is our national character that drove us to war in Iraq.
Fascists, I'm learning, never have the slightest clue that they're fascists; as far as they're conserned they're just looking at the harsh realities of life and supporting those policies that manfully face up to the tough decisions we have to make in an imperfect world.
Might doesn't make right, being American makes right.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Good analysis, HK.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What's ironic is that, really, it's America's progressive past that justifies Hero's jingoism. American liberalism, freeing slaves, granting women the right to vote, the civil rights movement, constitutional democracy itself, these are the things that make Americans feel so good about this country. We are the good guys, and because we are so good, we are incapable of going to war for the wrong reasons.
This country is capable of so much, and has had so many just triumphs. It's like Superman punching a normal human, "No! He could NEVER do THAT!! He's Superman!"
Losing sight of possibly making the wrong decisions is the worst, most destructive trait of a noble people. And it makes us all the more noble as a Nation, if we can acknowledge this.
But first, this great Nation and it's noble people need heroic leaders, and at the moment, the people don't have a lot of control over that.
But I guess that a whole 'nother thread.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Hero:
Now a personal note: Yesterday was a great day for America when we bombed and killed an important Al Queda leader. It was a bittersweet victory for us locally as I have just learned that yesterday a City police officer called to active service in Iraq was killed in action. He was a good man, devoted husband and father, and a proud public servant. He believed in the mission and was proud to be called. He will be missed. I'm closing my part in this discussion out of respect for him. I will observe silence on this board until after the funeral. I want to thank those of you of all sides who engage in this spirited debate. I think the honost dialogue of those who choose to disagree is a testiment to the system our soldiers are dying to serve.
H
Sorry for your loss, Hero. Thanks to and prayers for your friend.
"If Darwin ain't Happy,
Ain't Nobody Happy"
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
We are the good guys, and because we are so good, we are incapable of going to war for the wrong reasons.
I believe that is the introduction to Bin Laden's recruitment manual. Only it's probably not in English.
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...Fascists, I'm learning, never have the slightest clue that they're fascists; as far as they're conserned they're just looking at the harsh realities of life and supporting those policies that manfully face up to the tough decisions we have to make in an imperfect world.
Wow! I couldn't agree more. About the fascists not realizing they are fascists part.
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Might doesn't make right, being American makes right.
Careful now, the Iraqi insurgency does not need proof from an American to back up their "ridiculous" claims.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Being the man Zarqawi was, he was asking for death. It's like getting rid of a cold virus; it needs to be done, but to take gladdness or even joy from another man's death is to give up some part of your humanity, at least that would be my reason.
If Mal had killed the Operative, there would have been that movie-moment of "Yeah! That's what you get- JERK!!!" But life and change and growth are what we should all be aiming at being glad for.
*Buddhist rant over*
Chrisisall
I agree that what we should all be hoping for is change and growth or, to put it in the terms of my religion, the "fruit of repentance". However, I also believe (unpopular as this may be) that there are just some things a person can do to forfeit their right to draw air--and the repeated, gleeful murder of innocents certainly qualifies.
Besides which, can you really expect the kind of growth and change you describe from someone who doesn't follow the eightfold path?
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Quote:I don't think of it as a forfeiting their right to live, rather, you're giving them what they ask for. A loving person is asking to be loved, a killing person is asking...well, you know the rest.
Originally posted by Causal:
I also believe (unpopular as this may be) that there are just some things a person can do to forfeit their right to draw air--and the repeated, gleeful murder of innocents certainly qualifies.
May his next life be cleansed of hate.
What eightfold path? Chrisisall
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there are just some things a person can do to forfeit their right to draw air--and the repeated, gleeful murder of innocents certainly qualifies.
Does this also apply to the Abu Ghraib/other detention centers torture scandals?
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Knew that would come up. Unfortunately for those who would have this forum be a referendum on the Bush administration, I will just leave it here: Zarqawi's dead and I'm happy, because he had it coming. 
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