Conspiracy State

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UPDATED: Sunday, May 21, 2006 21:22
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CITIZEN

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:34 PM

So here's a thread that may get the Conspiracy theorists creaming (Pirate you time is nigh).

Over here in the UK that gou shi show Big Brother has just started again to assualt our screens, and it got me thinking.

Big Brother is litterally 1984 big brother, watching all the time, while you sleep.

So is Big Brother an attempt to acclaimatise us all to the coming global police state?

Is there a shadowy puppet master behind it all, or could a mixture of everyday human greed stupidity and f*ck ups explain it all?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
So is Big Brother an attempt to acclaimatise us all to the coming global police state?

Attempt?

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Is there a shadowy puppet master behind it all, or could a mixture of everyday human greed stupidity and f*ck ups explain it all?

Yes, Yes.

ANTHONYT

Friday, May 19, 2006 1:56 AM

I don't think that reality TV shows are an attempt by the government to get us used to being watched all the time.

On the other hand, the government may be taking advantage of our acclimation to reality TV to chip away at our right to privacy without us noticing or caring much.

I'm with the camp of people (however small we may be) that says that the government will totally fudge any plan which is too complex or nuanced. This is one of the reasons I just can't swallow most of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. The Conspiracy Theories are all very involved and needlessly complex. I mean, some of them involve fake terrorists, and some involve planes being landed somewhere and passengers switched. Some involve missiles or small jets being used in lieu of actual jetliners. Some involve the placement and detonation of demolitions.

IF you wanted to believe that the US Government 'staged' 9/11, it would be much more logical to say that we hired real terrorists to crash real jetliners into real buildings.

But in reality, I think the evil plots of the government don't extend much beyond seizing any available opportunity to claim power. I honestly think that somewhere out there is a stack of plans. If X tragedy occurs, spin it Y to get Z effect. I believe the Patriot Act was largely written before 9/11 - not because the government knew about or planned the terrorist attacks, but because they knew that sooner or later there would be some such attack. And when it happened, they had a plan in place to spin it, use it, and monopolize on it.

I think the government is a big opportunist, and I think it is very good at noticing the occurances that it can spin.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:14 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I don't think that reality TV shows are an attempt by the government to get us used to being watched all the time.

On the other hand, the government may be taking advantage of our acclimation to reality TV to chip away at our right to privacy without us noticing or caring much.

I'm with the camp of people (however small we may be) that says that the government will totally fudge any plan which is too complex or nuanced. This is one of the reasons I just can't swallow most of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. The Conspiracy Theories are all very involved and needlessly complex. I mean, some of them involve fake terrorists, and some involve planes being landed somewhere and passengers switched. Some involve missiles or small jets being used in lieu of actual jetliners. Some involve the placement and detonation of demolitions.

IF you wanted to believe that the US Government 'staged' 9/11, it would be much more logical to say that we hired real terrorists to crash real jetliners into real buildings.

But in reality, I think the evil plots of the government don't extend much beyond seizing any available opportunity to claim power. I honestly think that somewhere out there is a stack of plans. If X tragedy occurs, spin it Y to get Z effect. I believe the Patriot Act was largely written before 9/11 - not because the government knew about or planned the terrorist attacks, but because they knew that sooner or later there would be some such attack. And when it happened, they had a plan in place to spin it, use it, and monopolize on it.

I think the government is a big opportunist, and I think it is very good at noticing the occurances that it can spin.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Well said. I agree.

River

RIGHTEOUS9

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:16 AM

I've been trying to find a story for that exact idea...

where people not only allow themselves to be watched, but desire to be watched - 1984 revisited with like a constant network of everybody on camera all the time, watching each other...people making money by viewership or something like that. --- if your dad was a serial killer people may want to tune in for a while and see what your life is like...did you witness a murder? how do other people apply their ass cream? I don't have a story though.

SONOFMAN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:24 AM

i think a good example of the brainwashing by the media is evidenced by the people perception of a "conspiracy" theory. it has a negetive, skeptical connotation to it. and the mainstream media, since they are essentially corporate conglomorates, will fall inline with the rest of the global elitist agenda. i think this kind of collaboration takes root with the CFR, the TRI-lateral group, the FED, and the top clearance government and party officials. i believe they are doing the bidding of corporations and the primary benefactors of a global fascist/socialist police state. to me the true conspiracy is believing that:

19 terrorists(some of whom are alive to this day), simultaneously borded 4 commercial jetliners, turned their transponders off(or evaded FAA and NORAD for over an 1), gained control with knives and box-cutters, redirected 2 flights 180 degrees almost at landing, and hit 75% of their targets; 3 of which were first steel highrises in history to collapse due to fire, let alone in one day, in a controlled manner(when others have burned for weeks, at white hot temperatures and remianed), and the other was the freakin pentagon!!...for crying out loud! if that buiding, of all the strategic military sites, isnt guarded by a missile defense system, then i dont know what would! and theyve only released 1 slide. it wasnt a missile..thats the straw man theory the media uses to discredit us. it could have been a drone. the hijackers reportedly could barely fly cesnas.

and from what i understand, flight 93s wreckage was found over an 8 MILE RADIUS. their were human remains reportedly found in a few tree tops, eyewitnesses saw a military craft BEFORE the crash, and there are reports of a "fire-ball", and the engine recovered was not from a 747. google those words..youll find the atricles.

and then there was insider trading selling the 2 airlines involved short the morning prior, FEMA flew into NY on the 10th for some unknown(to me)reason, and several Pentagon officials apparently cancelled trips to NY out of caution from some intelligence. and if that werent enough, the CIA had a drill scheduled the same morning to similate a plain flying(crashing)into a building!! i mean...how much of this factual evidence should be discarded?(like the wreckage from the towers)

plus the 9/11 commission actually had senior members who were involved in serious cover-ups under the Clinton administration regarding the NY FBI office, KHalid shaek, al-qaeda, TWA, oklohoma city, and the original trade center bombing. theres a whole history there that has hardly been exposed, but look up Peter Lance, hes an investigative/prosecutor or something..but hes found some amazing things. it just goes soo deep, that to expect for the media, and the government to be telling us the whole truth, in light of everything that has happened since 9/11(patriot act, Iraq, ID act, homeland security, the borders, SS, the state of our economy...i mean, it throws everything into question.

PRISONPLANET.com is one of the better sites ive seen, but there are literally 1000s

CITIZEN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:25 AM

I was hoping people would make reasoned arguments backed up with actual evidence.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

RUE

Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:48 PM

Well, you asked a really big and hard to answer question.

If it's a conspiracy, the people behind it would want to keep it secret, and I assume it would thus be hard to find evidence. (Especially if they are as rich and powerful as supposed)

OTOH it's hard to imagine that rich people just happened to end up in control of things as a group (which they are by the evidence of the structure of the various states) without some cooperation between them.

I don't know much about history, so I can't answer this. But maybe the answer lies in looking at how groups have historically taken control of countries (juntas and the like) to see if there is evidence of cooperation or collusion between powerful groups. Having specifically validated the answer either way, it could be easier to draw parallels to today.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

CITIZEN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:20 PM

It was more in reference to the big long rant post above that is completely devoid of any evidence whatsoever.

I'd prefer if you’re going to say the terrorists are still alive to actually back it up. Not just state it as fact. The only terrorist I know that is still alive is still alive because he didn't board the planes, so really it is of no surprise to me that he didn't die when the planes crashed, him not being on them and all.

Wreckage from the crash wasn't from a 747? Hardly surprising given the fact that the planes used weren't 747's. If the wreckage WAS from a 747 that would raise questions.

Pentagon not protected by missile defence? Apart from the obvious that the US military is way too arrogant to ever believe anyone would dare attack the Pentagon, it's hardly the norm in the western world to protect sites like the Pentagon with air defence during peace-time. I can't personally think of one site that has a permanent air defence.

More over an air defence has to be targeted, and if you want the air defence (that isn't there) targeted at every airliner that comes close to the Pentagon be prepared for a lot of planes 'falling' out of the sky.

Point is I'd kind of like a discussion rather than ranting. If I wanted ranting I'd of said "what are peoples crazy theories that they have no evidence for?"

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

SUCCATASH

Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
If I wanted ranting I'd of said "what are peoples crazy theories that they have no evidence for?"

You want to get "Conspiracy theorists creaming" but no "peoples crazy theories."

Well, I'm confused.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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