There is no continuity error with River's rescue.

POSTED BY: Adamwankenobi
UPDATED: Thursday, July 13, 2006 18:54
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JUTIN

Friday, May 12, 2006 6:18 AM

RoboCop rocks

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 12, 2006 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by JuTin:
RoboCop rocks

Hell, I'm a fan of all three.

Hijacking Chrisisall

ADAMWANKENOBI

Friday, May 12, 2006 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Stick:
Remember though wiki is 100% user submitted. The Simon Tam article on Wiki could have been one persons way of bringing together the series and the movie.

I wrote that article. It's not my POV. I simply looked at what the BDS and BDM tell us, and combined the facts from each since they are set in the same continuity. Note at the end there is a section describing the controversy on this plot point.

ANTHONYT

Friday, May 12, 2006 11:18 PM

Well, let's be honest with ourselves.

We can explain and reconcile the information, but it WAS a change. It happens to be a necessary change to avoid confusing newbies, but it's still a change.

I would explain away Star Trek inconsistencies all day long, because I loved the show, but I never lost sight of the fact that I was fixing something that was imperfect about the show in my mind so that I could continue to enjoy it in my heart.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

RUGBUG

Monday, May 15, 2006 7:18 PM

After being a serious X-Files fan, I have little problem with small continuity errors. X-Files was riddled with errors...often very LARGE ones that made one hang your head in disgust. The Whedon shows were always refreshing in the attention paid to continuity.

Having watched the BDM before the BDS, I will say that having another group rescue River would have been flat...and would also have lengthened the character introduction and thus shortened other areas. No thanks. Give me a little tweak for more story anyday.

ADAMWANKENOBI

Monday, May 22, 2006 7:49 PM

I watched the BDM again today and noticed something. First off, the Operative tells Dr. Mathias that Simon "spent a fortune on the contacts to infiltrate this place." Later on, Simon tells Mal and the crew that "the people who helped me break River out had intel that River and the other subjects were being imbedded with behavioral conditioning." Also, notice that the ship that picks up Simon and River in the beginning is not Serenity, but is a different ship. These things would support his explanation of River's rescue in the series.

Also, when watching the FF episode "Ariel" again the other day, I noticed how familiar Simon seems to be with infiltrating Alliance facilities as he does with the hospital in that episode. This would support the idea that his rescue of River was simply part of the plan that "his contacts" had.

This makes me think that this wasn't a continuity error after all.

PAGZ

Saturday, June 3, 2006 4:12 AM

I don't take any issue with River's rescue at all. It works perfectly well. He never explicitly states that he wasn't the one that rescued her, he merely says he enlisted help to retrieve her. So no problems there. The problems arise from the whole "Psychic" issue. There are numerous examples in the series where Simon, alone and with no one to hide his knowledge from, is completely oblivious that River is a psychic. To me that's a gaff, and an unneccessary one. There was no need to mention in the holograph that River was a psychic. There are numerous ways to tell the audience that without Simon knowing. Not a big deal, but there it is. If he was "lying" about it in the series, then he was lying to himself too because there are too many instances of Simon not knowing either.

NIRWIN

Friday, June 9, 2006 2:30 PM

I don't care about the continuity problem, but it is one.

In the BDM he frees River, she's conscious, talks to him and actively takes part in the escape.

Then in the BDS, when she is released from Cryo she is positively shocked to see Simon.

She wasn't that disorientated after the suspension of cerebral functions.

River being nuttier than a walnut whip don't cut it as an explanation for me.

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Nirwin

ALIENZOOKEEPER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by JuTin:
RoboCop rocks
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Hell, I'm a fan of all three.

Hijacking Chrisisall

Me-
Liked the last Robocop best of all. That whole thing of stripping a man's humanity away and him eventually getting it back...

There's a scene with Robocop carrying Lewis up to the altar ("Officer Down") which is almost as over the top as the scene in Spiderman II where the passengers on the Ell pull spidey back into the train after he saves them.

Manipulative b@st@rds, even Joss 8-)

MER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by nirwin:
I don't care about the continuity problem, but it is one.

In the BDM he frees River, she's conscious, talks to him and actively takes part in the escape.

Then in the BDS, when she is released from Cryo she is positively shocked to see Simon.

She wasn't that disorientated after the suspension of cerebral functions.

River being nuttier than a walnut whip don't cut it as an explanation for me.

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Nirwin

In the book it explains why she was in the Cyro. The ship was either on autopilot. Simon worked it by remote control to get it to them.
He put her in the Cyro (which I think is used for dead bodies-I forgot) there b/c there was nowhere else to hide her.
And her shock to see Simon? Maybe she's in shock. She wakes up to a new surrounding and trust me, that's scary.

Otherwise, yes there is an error and truthifully, I rather not read into it b/c I don't want to cringe when I watch Serenity. O_O;;

To be on topic, yea I agree. I merely saw it as Simon wasn't exactly telling the WHOLE story to the crew. ^-^

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