Defense of Home
POSTED BY: StillFlyin
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 07:32
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Quote:Honestly, that's cool.
Originally posted by piratenews:
2 judges already ordered that the State of Tennessee must pay all court costs, which includes my $600 invoice for my court reporter, police records and travel costs.
Really, Chrisisall
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Quote:Yeah, weapons commit you to some degree, ironically taking total control out of your hands.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Guns: dangerous things!
Better to Jackie Chan or Kwai-Chang Cain it and put hands on...
Living in the world of perpetual motion Chrisisall
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Originally posted by piratenews:Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:Quote:
PIRATENEWS SAID:
"Read the communist Manifesto to see that victim dissarmament zones and abolition of the death penalty are designed to ESCALATE violence"
O.K. so I've got a copy of the Communist Manifesto right in front of me now (which you must have read to have made that statement right? So don't tell me I'm a commie for having one).
Kindly point out to me the passage to which the above statement refers (just so you can prove yourself right). It must be in there otherwise you would'nt have said it right?
I realize you have never heard of Google, so I'll do your homework for you, you lazy illiterate Commie.
What an awesome dodge! Not only did you manage to call him a Commie, you threw 900 links up to sites that didn't answer his question!
You made a claim as to what was in the Communist Manifesto, he asked you to back it up, and you couldn't. Oldenglanddry didn't ask for anyone else's opinion on what was in there, or what Stalin's take on it was, or what it had to do with your imaginary Jew-Alien-Midget-Leprechaun-Contortionist-Whatever conspiracy. He asked you to prove what you claimed was in it, and you dodged (after name-calling, no less).
Give him page and line, or admit in this thread that, in computer lingo (which I hate by the way, but which seems appropriate in this thread), you were PWNED.
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Thank you SEVEN.
He seems to be reading from some far-right comic book interpretation of what they THINK the Communist Manifesto means (or says).
PIRATENEWS
I will send you a copy of the real Communist Manifesto if you want to actually read it.
Untill then please try to remove your head from your Arse.
By the way, Is the new world order Commie or British Empire? You dont seem to be able to make up your mind on that one either.
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Hi all,
I do not think that size and strength of an attacker should play into the force of your defense.
While I am not a martial artist, I have heard enough of them give the same tired old speech.
Namely, that your size and strength are unimportant. A 90 pound 5 foot weakling can take apart a 7 foot 300 pound individual with the right training.
The ONLY thing that should play into the force of your defense is whether or not you feel threatened. If said 90 pound weakling punches me and I feel no damage, I'm not likely to panic. But if said 90 pound weakling breaks my nose, I'm going to assume he's a competant attacker, become threatened, and respond with all due force until he stops or goes away.
There was a case in Florida where one man punched another. One punch. The victim died.
There's no good reason to attack someone who isn't threatening you or someone else. There is no reason to expect safety if you are an attacker. I would not advocate the death penalty for someone who beat me up, but if someone is beating me up and they die during my defense, I would not want to be convicted of a crime.
People who commit violent crime should have every reasonable expectation of violent defense.
90 pounds or 300 pounds, notwithstanding.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I try to ignore PN. Arguing only encourages him.
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yeah, weapons commit you to some degree, ironically taking total control out of your hands.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Guns: dangerous things!
Better to Jackie Chan or Kwai-Chang Cain it and put hands on...
Living in the world of perpetual motion Chrisisall
I'm not a martial artist, but I'm fairly competant with a firearm.
I don't think holding a weapon takes options away from you.
If the opponent has a gun, and you do not have a gun, you are essentially at his mercy. He may choose to let you live, or he may choose to let you die. There is no way to know which. But if he decides to kill you, you've got Nada.
If the opponent has a gun, and you have a gun, the opponent may choose to try to kill you or he may choose to leave with all due haste. There is no way to know which... but you do still have that gun.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Are you happy with a person being executed for being in his own home when a criminal decides to break in and kill him? The victim can’t know what the intent of a criminal who breaks into his or her house is, and the law shouldn’t require him to know what he can’t.
This is why you try to escape unless such a thing is impossible. If you force a confrontation it's more likely you'll end up dead than the intruder.
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If I know that’s all he’s after then you might have a point, but criminals rarely break in with a requisition order to assure me that he’s after my VCR. If I mistake him for trying to kill my daughter, I don’t think I should be held responsible for that mistake.
If you get yourself and your family out, if possible, this really isn't an issue.
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And don’t I have a right to protect my VCR? If it’s my VCR shouldn’t I have the right to take it back from him in a way that isn’t intended to kill him? Or does the act of breaking into someone’s house necessarily imply that the ownership of my VCR passes to the invader?
I never said the burglar has a right to your property because they broke in. I'm merely advocating the fairly common sense approach of not going Rambo on their arses. It's just stuff and most people are insured, so why put your life on the line to defend things that can be easily replaced with better newer things when the insurance pays out?
For what, the principle of the thing? If your happy putting your life on the line rather than escaping, getting yourself out of a dangerous situation and calling the police, for the sake of a few things then that's your decision.
Even *IF* the law said it's okay to gun down anyone you like for burglary no matter what the circumstances and it shouldn't, fact is your putting yourself in a very dangerous situation for the sake of a few cheap electrical goods. If you’re worried about your personal safety and that of your family then escaping is demonstrably the more effective means of defence.
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And I don’t think someone should be penalized for protecting his property.
And I don't think people should be given a free pass to murder because the person they murdered was in their house.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Citizen, what do you think of these scenarios?
A)I wake up to a noise and go downstairs to find two men stealing stuff. I say in a very manly, Terminator-like voice "Get out." They run, still holding some stuff, and I don't follow.
B)I wake up to a noise and go downstairs to find two men stealing stuff. I say in a very manly, Terminator-like voice "Get out." They drop what they're holding and rush me. I smash a lamp in one's face, and as I get grabbed by the other, I reach around and pinch his throat, Drunken-style. Maybe one dies, I dunno, because I'll leave it there...
Did I do wrong?
I'd suggest trying to get out yourself first, and if that's not possible try saying "The Police are on their way, get out!".
You see if the Police are coming the intruders are less likely to hang around to give you a hiding and more likely to just drop everything and run so that they don't get caught.
I see nothing particularly wrong with either scenario apart from that, except pinching the guys throat, you should palm strike to the face to tip the head back and expose the neck, then shaolin punched to the throat.
Much more satisfying.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I try to ignore PN. Arguing only encourages him.
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
I try to ignore him too, realy I do, I'm just not a strong person.
Apologies to all for sidetracking the thread but the other kid started it.
Please continue.
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