Male and Female Imponderables
POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 15:29
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Oh dear, I was enjoying this thread! A little light hearted banter about the differences between the sexes. Now I find it's been taken over by a very scary man who's ideas are drastically opposed to my own world view! His rather angry posts have left me thinking that he would prefer all women to stay at home and cover themselves with burlap! (Yes, I know that's not what he actually said but it is definately the impression he left me with!)
Since this is not the sort of person I would choose to spend time with, I'm ofski! See all of you guys in a week when I get back!
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Chris: Yes, I do mean that I psychologically feel better while dressing in a way that flatters my figure. Considering that I have never had anyone attracted to me because of how I dress (i.e. no guys checking me out, nobody hitting on me) I highly doubt that the way I feel is connected to the nonexistant attention I recieve (although I'm sure you'll disagree).
Also, it is possible to dress modestly and still wear clothes that compliment my body (which is probably why I've never experienced any attention).
As for the rape thing, contrary to popular belief, rape is not usually about the sex, it's about the power. The rapist wants to feel powerful by taking advantage of someone weaker. I agree that a woman has to be careful, but the way someone dresses is not entirely the reason the victim is selected.
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
I don't ever recall saying that you couldn't, or that I thought you shouldn't. In fact, I recall implying the opposite, that these things are your rights and freedoms. The problem is that ovindulgence in them... well, scroll up. I wouldn't even vote against these things being "legal" because I think they're matters of SELF CONTROL. You don't NEED to have it, but I think you're going to lead the country into oblivion without it. Thanks for that, by the way.
As to the rape being a "violent crime" thing... my gosh, I remember hearing Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew blast this issue on Loveline. "Raping someone is just like if I hit you in the back of the head.. and them cummed.". Doesn't make sense, does it? If they were JUST looking for control, they'd find other ways of exerting it, but a man raping a woman has a hard on for a reason. I'm not saying the element of control isn't there, but to suggest that the act is totally devoid of sexual impulsion is just ignorant.
Considering yu've deeply offended several women here, maybe you should carefully examine what you said before you say "I didn't say that".
And for the record, Dr Drew is a dumbass and Adam Carolla is even moreso. Their show is more entertainment than substance. While Dr Drew is a doctor and knows what he's talking about medically, he really doesn't know much about sex or psychology. He has given so many wrong answers and wrong information when it comes to orgasms, bisexuality, and motivation that I'm amazed anyone would take him seriously.
A rapist has a hard-on for a reason, huh? Never occured to you that people like that are aroused by violence, now did it? Of course there are other ways to be powerful and dominant, but are any of them so effective? No other violence can scar a person's soul the way I've seen rape do. It is power, it is the ultimate violation, and it is violence. Those people are sick in the head and what someone wears does not affect their disease.
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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
Oh dear, I was enjoying this thread! A little light hearted banter about the differences between the sexes. Now I find it's been taken over by a very scary man who's ideas are drastically opposed to my own world view! His rather angry posts have left me thinking that he would prefer all women to stay at home and cover themselves with burlap! (Yes, I know that's not what he actually said but it is definately the impression he left me with!)
Since this is not the sort of person I would choose to spend time with, I'm ofski! See all of you guys in a week when I get back!
You have a good point and are a very wise woman. I've probably said all I could on the subject and it's all going over his head anyway so perhaps I should be offski as well.
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For the record, I don't get the "Uncut Version" of a movie for more tits and ass. Granted, more often than not its in there, but such is not always the case.
Plus, I happen to like tits and ass!
For an example, how about the uncut version of The 40 Year Old Virgin. There were 17, I believe minutes of extra footage in the movie. It can't all be tits and ass. It just seems that lately, the words "Uncut" are synomynous with "Director's Cut" if your movie happened to be a bawdy comedy.
Also: See paragraph 2.
Edit: Oh dear...having read some more of what's going on here, I'll return and throw some more in.
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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Tristan, you created an excellent thread, and I'll keep my eye out for any others you start. Although I was initially eager to add my questions/comments, I think I'm going to join the other ladies and go elsewhere. Call it my way of ignoring a troll who says women get raped because they ask for it.
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So many things to address. Of course there would be, you don’t take something sensitive like this, approach it insensitively, and expect it not to result in heated discussion.
But in a nutshell, and to no one in particular, I make these points:
1) I am more than willing accept that clothes are not the only, and not even the major, factor in a woman getting raped. It is however a contributor to the fact, and the women that I do know who were raped were liberally outfitted on those occurrences. It is in a great deal relative to their attitudes at the time as well, IE: Dress slutty, act slutty, but men see with their eyes, and the first thing they’ll go after is what APPEARS to be easy.
The girl in Aruba. Known by friend and family to be the exact opposite of “timid” and “modest”. So un-timid and un-modest that she didn’t mind going home with a group of strangers. Yes, she put herself in a bad situation. Rewind to earlier that evening. See it from the group of guy’s perspective. “Hot blonde on Spring Break wearing tight clothes. Easy mark.”. The first rule of war is to know thine enemy. See things from his perspective.
2) My personal feelings of the issue, that women lie about being raped, were not factored anywhere into my argument of why they are raped. Maybe because I have the good sense to separate what I see from what I think.
3) I will re-itterate my intolerance for rapists just one more time. I AM PUTTING THIS IN BOLD SO THAT ANYONE WHO MISQUOTES ME AS SAYING "WOMEN DESERVE TO BE RAPED" WILL BE PROPERLY IDENTIFIED AS EITHER PARTIALLY BLIND OR COMPLETLEY RETARDED. I do not brush off any rapes with comments like “She had it coming”, nor would even the most conservative of my friends. I have never ONCE seen a rape “brushed off” by anyone, I have ALWAYS seen it treated with the utmost care and concern even when factual evidence was lacking.
Case in point: The lacrosse team vs. the stripper. National example: Women DO lie about it. Even if she wasn’t this time, she definitely had in the past (I’m not assuming, either, do some freggin research and look it up.). This does no excuse anyone doing it to her again in the future, but with all of this in mind: STOP ACTING LIKE THE WORLD OWES YOUR GENDER PITY.
4) I’ve already addressed the rape being about power issue. Nothing anyone has said addresses why someone would choose sex over any number of other ways to exert power. Kidnapping, torturing, chaining, binding… these things are about power. Raping no doubt has power involved in it, but I will re-itterate that anyone who thinks it’s totally devoid of sexual impulsion is plain ignorant. If there weren’t sexual impulsion involved, it would not be acted out sexually. If it was, there’d be a whole lot more guys fucking each other in the ass instead of beating the crap out of one another to prove dominance.
5) I’m an admitted sexist. But only because of the attitude that women take these days. Like every other minority, they seem to think that theirs are the truly important issues of the time, that as victims of rape they should be pitied and left un-offended by all. Screw that, you’re human and you’re going to be subject to the same abuse as everyone else. Men get raped in prison all the time. Don’t see too many articles about that, do you? No, actually, I seem to recall more jokes about it than anything else. In short: Get over yourselves. Bad shit happens to everyone.
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Never worn a bra, so cant really argue against you. Can just reaccount for what she said when we had that discussion.
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QUOTE: 5) I’m an admitted sexist. But only because of the attitude that women take these days. Like every other minority, they seem to think that theirs are the truly important issues of the time, that as victims of rape they should be pitied and left un-offended by all. Screw that, you’re human and you’re going to be subject to the same abuse as everyone else. Men get raped in prison all the time. Don’t see too many articles about that, do you? No, actually, I seem to recall more jokes about it than anything else. In short: Get over yourselves. Bad shit happens to everyone. END QUOTE
Okay, okay, okay...I've been reading this for some time, and I think it's time to say something. Are you honestly...HONESTLY telling rape victims to "get over yourselves"? Yes, bad shit happens to everyone, but...come on...I'd say if it's rape, it's pretty fucking bad.
Rape is a form of assault. But, there's so much more involved than the beating of an individual physically. I'm not saying that the psychological effects of assault and rape are that far removed from each other. Powerlessness and self worth issues abound. But, when you're beaten, you heal, and you move on. It is not the kind of thing that sticks in your head and rebounds. I imagine if you looked at the suicide statistics for people post these crimes, you'd see that rape victims are much more succeptible.
I understand that men get raped in prison all the time. Are you telling me that crimes of social interaction amongst convicts locked away from civilization compare? Not only are you generalizing women in this mess, but men as well. Rapists rape. Real men do not. So, before you post something saying that "Men rape" ...think. And, I don't seem to see a whole lot of that going on here.
This was a fun thread. It's no longer. Yes, women lie about being raped sometimes. However, rapists lie about raping a whole lot more, I'd wager.
You have your world view, and I can tell it's not going to be changed. That's your business, of course, but, some of the things you've been saying are toxic, in the extreme, and unnecessary.
I'll be back when I've calmed down a bit.
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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ok
Why do the majority of women all seem to pick up on and prefer good traits like intelligence, attitude and personality (even when attributed to a handsome male) yet always choose the complete knuckle-head loser that treats you like a pile of go-se?
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