Male and Female Imponderables
POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 15:29
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Originally posted by wildigstart:
back on topic...Men, why do you always rent the 'Uncut Version' of a move? It's not the director's cut or a some artsy re-edit...it's just tits and ass. Does it rally make the movie better?
Do tits and ass really make a movie better??? How could it not??? :) It's not like I'll see a movie just because of the T&A (oh, wait: yes, yes I will...) Well, it's not like I won't see a movie because it doesn't... But a little extra for the menfolk is just icing on the cake if it's a good movie. (And as good a reason as any to see a bad one.) And I'm comfortable enough with my manhood that I'm not opposed to some man-butt or something in a movie, for the ladies.
@the topic of our culture being too free with sex: Addiction, and too much of anything is generally bad. Same with sex. Me: I don't do the casual sex thing, people who know me in RL are sometimes suprised by that, as I come off a bit free-spirited. But someone else's choice is no business of mine. (And I have my share of fetishes and kinks as well.)
My problem is the idea that sex or the human form is supposed to be something dirty, or shameful. I don't hold much to the idea that sex should be just for procreation, either. Alot of my hangups earlier in life, and the cause of much drama in my relationships, was me getting used to the idea that sex isn't quite the terribly big deal everyone makes it out to be. (Let's just say that I can really relate to what'shisname from Jaynestown :) Anyways, I'm writing this after a long day of work, so maybe that all doesn't make sense, and I'll stop before I start writing a whole novel here :P
Also, let me just say, that while I think sex isn't that big a deal: there's still the matter of responsibility, respect, and the addendum that it really should only involve two (or more) relatively mature and consenting adults. After that, though... frell, have fun!
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I am smart, and I would find a guy smarter than me unattractive not because he is a nerd or anything, but I wouldn't want stiff competition in life. Have been that way for a while...
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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Addiction, and too much of anything is generally bad. Same with sex. Me: I don't do the casual sex thing, people who know me in RL are sometimes suprised by that, as I come off a bit free-spirited. But someone else's choice is no business of mine. (And I have my share of fetishes and kinks as well.)
My problem is the idea that sex or the human form is supposed to be something dirty, or shameful. I don't hold much to the idea that sex should be just for procreation, either. Alot of my hangups earlier in life, and the cause of much drama in my relationships, was me getting used to the idea that sex isn't quite the terribly big deal everyone makes it out to be. (Let's just say that I can really relate to what'shitname from Jaynestown :) Anyways, I'm writing this after a long day of work, so maybe that all doesn't make sense, and I'll stop before I start writing a whole novel here :P
Also, let me just say, that while I think sex isn't that big a deal: there's still the matter of responsibility, respect, and the addendum that it really should only involve two (or more) relatively mature and consenting adults. After that, though... frell, have fun!
You sum up my views rather well. Though I do think sex is a deal, just not in the uptight way. Rather, I think it should be special. Is special. And fun. Hence, yeah, casual sex is for no. It's funny, people tend to be surprised at me having that attitude as well. And if they don't know me well, they tend to forget. When did "open minded and free spirited" become the same as "I will jump anything that's willing"?
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I do agree that people dismiss the sexual aspect of rape out of hand and attribute it to power. It's mostly a power issue, but sex is involved. And I think Chris' estimation of 1/10 of women claiming, etc. is too high. Women would never like to admit being raped.
And I think a differentiation between strager rape and acquantance rape would be in order, as they often have different motives. The latter is definitely more common, around 82% of rape cases.
Also, I will disagree with Chris about the skank factor: its usually modest girls raped, even acquaintace rape. I took rape counseling training and we heard all the stats. To be sure, you can also take stats with a grain of salt.
Also, we as a people do need to have a better sense of humor about things. Yes, it takes healing time to get over a rape: psychaitrist, family conversations. All fine. But, eventually that comes to an end. I had a life threatening disease as a teen and will probably have a relaspe be the time I'm 30 with the medication i'm on. But hey, cancer can be funny damnit. If I took myself too seriously, life would suck. I think everything is open for parody. I like the south park thing: "its been 21.3 years! AIDS is finally funny!"
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Originally posted by manwithpez:
QUOTE: 5) I’m an admitted sexist. But only because of the attitude that women take these days. Like every other minority, they seem to think that theirs are the truly important issues of the time, that as victims of rape they should be pitied and left un-offended by all. Screw that, you’re human and you’re going to be subject to the same abuse as everyone else. Men get raped in prison all the time. Don’t see too many articles about that, do you? No, actually, I seem to recall more jokes about it than anything else. In short: Get over yourselves. Bad shit happens to everyone. END QUOTE
Okay, okay, okay...I've been reading this for some time, and I think it's time to say something. Are you honestly...HONESTLY telling rape victims to "get over yourselves"? Yes, bad shit happens to everyone, but...come on...I'd say if it's rape, it's pretty fucking bad.
Rape is a form of assault. But, there's so much more involved than the beating of an individual physically. I'm not saying that the psychological effects of assault and rape are that far removed from each other. Powerlessness and self worth issues abound. But, when you're beaten, you heal, and you move on. It is not the kind of thing that sticks in your head and rebounds. I imagine if you looked at the suicide statistics for people post these crimes, you'd see that rape victims are much more succeptible.
I understand that men get raped in prison all the time. Are you telling me that crimes of social interaction amongst convicts locked away from civilization compare? Not only are you generalizing women in this mess, but men as well. Rapists rape. Real men do not. So, before you post something saying that "Men rape" ...think. And, I don't seem to see a whole lot of that going on here.
This was a fun thread. It's no longer. Yes, women lie about being raped sometimes. However, rapists lie about raping a whole lot more, I'd wager.
You have your world view, and I can tell it's not going to be changed. That's your business, of course, but, some of the things you've been saying are toxic, in the extreme, and unnecessary.
I'll be back when I've calmed down a bit.
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Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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Last time I checked one can avoid being put in the situation of imprisonment. Usually by NOT committing the CRIME that landed them there in the first place! You compare that to the rape of a woman walking home from work/school etc.?
Admitted sexist? Sounds, to me, more like and unacknowledged rapest in the making.
I call her Vera.
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Wuh de tyen, ah!
What happened here? The last time I checked this thread, everything was so peaceful.
At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Wuh de tyen, ah!
What happened here? The last time I checked this thread, everything was so peaceful.
At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.
Sssh! Be very very quiet! We're all hiding from the bad man!
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To all, I apologize. I started this thread with the intention of light banter and better understanding, and it gets hi-jacked. That'll teach me to go to bed and leave a thread alone.
I may try to start something else like this again, but we'll see.
I enjoyed all the insights posted, and have learned a few things.
Thank you all.
Holding until you get back, Captain.
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I was enjoying reading the posts too. Nice thread Tristan (up until the take-over of course)!
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