S6- Seeing Red..Holly CRAP, Batman, I just noticed something! (spoilery)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, June 15, 2006 00:14
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Yeah I was just talking to a buddy at the weekend about that - and both of us feel similarly to you Big C
I't kinda how we both felt about TRON and the fact should anyone remake update whatever it'd maybe ruin the joy of the first one... Lets face it sequels rarely work and trilogies even less so, that said it is sad to think that's your lot in terms of Serenity - of course were a sequel made I'd be there straight away and it'd be my second favourite film ever after the first Serenity - but in my heart of hearts I love the fact that now it's a true gem of cinema - and I'm full of love for it being so singular and unique.
...and yeah you're right Riley/Buffy... they aint dead so there's hope right... always hope :)
The
Somnambulist
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Back in early '05, I was lookin' for a science fiction-y series to buy (I had a gift certificate), and saw Firefly on the shelves. Knowing nothing about it, save for a hazy momory of spaceships and barfights courtesy of a distracted viewing of Train Job in '02, I got on the net, and gleaned great reviews of it, and that a movie of it was being made as I read.
"Finally!' I thought, "A show that has a finale!"
Little did I know the effects it would have on me...
I just saw the finale of Voyager on the Borg Collection that came out here (which I never saw before).
I'm fast coming up on Buffy's finale in S7 (which I've never seen).
We don't get much closure in RL, I really appreciate it in fiction.
If only Angel had it
.
Chrisisall, closure-guy
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Originally posted by platinummongoose:
I think the Joss quote was something like "Everyone wants people to be happy, so in every episode I have to remind them that I don't like people. Then Mal shoots someone. Someone we like. And their puppy."
And you think that S6 of Buffy was proof of that?
Let's review, shall we? Not season-by-season, but relationship-by-relationship:
Buffy/Angel--really shouldn't start with these two. They define tragic love, right?
Buffy/Spike--relationship born out of depression, ending in attempted rape
Buffy/Riley--Riley left her for the MILITARY
Xander/Buffy--never got past the Xander-daydream stage
Xander/Willow--ruined more relationships than it helped
Xander/Cordy--see Xander/Willow
Willow/Oz--see Xander/Willow, then Oz leaves later thanks to Veruca
Willow/Tara--Tara is murdered just after they reconcile
Xander/Anya--left Anya at the alter, then Anya dies in the finale
Xander/Faith--one night stand
Buffy/Parker--let's not go there, ok?
Angel/Cordy--she sleeps with his son, becomes big bad, goes comatose, dies, and transcends or something
Cordy/Doyle--Doyle sacrifices himself for the greater good
Gunn/Fred--Angelus manipulation causes breakup (possibly the healthiest breakup on the show)
Fred/Wesley--together for less than ONE EPISODE before Fred is killed and subsequently possessed by Illyria
Mal/Inara--those two really need a swift kick in the hormones.
Zoe/Wash--well... you know.
Ok, so to be fair, here are the relationships that succeeded:
Simon/Kaylee
Willow/Kennedy
Faith/Wood (however long that'll last, knowing Faith)
Seventeen... to three. The vote is in: Joss doesn't like it when people have happy endings.
(end rant)
That's not to mention Giles and Jenny Calendar, which ended with Angelus brutaly murdering Jenny... Giles and Buffy's mom having a one night, drug induced thing that just made everyone uncomfortable.... Wesley and Lilah and their disfunctional thing that ended with Angelus killing her and well, Wesley pretty much had no happiness, ever, with anyone, in any relationship, for more than 5 minutes.
Think about Wesley's history... he loses control of his slayer, Faith... he almost starts something with Cordelia, and he's so unimpressive that when they meet again on Angel, she doesn't remember him... he falls for Fred, only to see her end up with Gunn... he thinks he's doing the right thing by Connor, only to cause Angel's son to be kidnapped into another dimension... Angel tries to kill him... the whole Lilah affair...he has a horrible relationship with his father, where he has to kill someone who he thinks is his father... he finally gets Fred, only to have her die quickly ("Sunshine, you are my sunshi--- splat, blood on face)... He has the disfunctional thing with Ilyria, before finally, mercifully, being killed. Joss hates Wesley.
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Suddenly, I feel the need to watch an episode of Touched By An Angel.
Chrisisall
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Joss LOVES Alexis. Alexis is even the godfather to one of his kids.
When he loves an actor, he gives them more and more to do, which usually means suffering.
Amy Acker is another one of his favorites, if you can't tell. ;-)
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yeah, interesting point.
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
So you start to not care about a relationship forming because you just know it'll turn out badly.
But that's why I can hope for Buffy and Riley, the door hasn't been entirely closed on that one (He and Buffy still live).
I was hoping for Buffy to end up hooking up with Xander... now that Anya is dead, and Buffy is older and wiser...
I thought she might want the good guy who always stayed there for her.
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On a blasphemous note: A part of me is fine with no more Serenity movies, if that's the case; I kinda like the thought of Kaylee and Simon and Mal and Inara living to have long relationships. Don't get me wrong, I WANT more movies, but if they don't get made, not seeing more relationships get cut off or fail will be my small consolation prize...
Don't tell anyone I said that Chrisisall
too blasphemous for me!
Joss can kill everyone off one after another, and I want to be along for the ride....
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Quote:Oh, I'll be there too, just sayin' is all.
Originally posted by embers:
Joss can kill everyone off one after another, and I want to be along for the ride....
Joss follower Chrisisall
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Quote:What? I haven't finished season 7 yet...Anya DIES!?!?!?!
Originally posted by embers:
I was hoping for Buffy to end up hooking up with Xander... now that Anya is dead
Oh, the pain! I been spoilerized!!!
(Just kidding, came across that nugget some time ago...)
And she might end up with Xander, who knows? *CoughJoss*
I just felt that she and Reilly were an outstanding match.
Side question: Em, which do you like better, Buffy or Angel?
Chrisisall, on S7, ep 8
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh, the pain! I been spoilerized!!!
OMG! I SPOILED CHRISISALL!!!
I'M GOING TO THE SPECIAL HELL!
JOSS WILL NEVER SPEAK TO ME AGAIN...
OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO
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(Just kidding, came across that nugget some time ago...)
And she might end up with Xander, who knows? *CoughJoss*
I just felt that she and Reilly were an outstanding match.
Side question: Em, which do you like better, Buffy or Angel?
Chrisisall, on S7, ep 8
whew... dodged a bullet there! LOL
I by far preferred Buffy....
of course I wasn't a big fan of tall dark and brooding when he was on Buffy,
I kinda loved Wes & Lorne, but I was never a big Cordy fan (she scared me too much in that first BtVS episode when she ordered Willow away from the water fountain)
Buffy always was funnier, brighter, with more compelling metaphors, and more interesting character development
(well, not counting Firefly you understand)
JMPO (as always)
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Originally posted by amyel:
Joss LOVES Alexis. Alexis is even the godfather to one of his kids.
When he loves an actor, he gives them more and more to do, which usually means suffering.
Amy Acker is another one of his favorites, if you can't tell. ;-)
I'm guessing that same rationale also has a lot to do with what happened with Willow on season 6 of Buffy.
Wesley is actually my favorite character out of either show. The changes that he went through from being prissy and stuck up on Buffy, to being a bumbling demon hunter (ahem, Rogue Demon Hunter) on season 1 of Angel ("And I will take that inch!"), to the dark and brooding of the whole "the father will kill the son" part of the show, to the unrequited love, to the briefly having the love, to the hollowness of losing Fred. And so much of that is because of the range and abilities of Alexis. I've been shocked that he hasn't been able to really make it into mainstream movies, because I really think he is a tremendous actor. And judging by the deleted ballet scene in Summer Glau's episode, the guy is funny as hell.
This same rationale, of torturing the characters of the actors he loves makes me cringe when I think about how bad things would have gotten for one Malcolm Reynolds.
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