GWB Approval Rating 4/24/06
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UPDATED: Monday, April 7, 2025 04:26
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don't yall know browncoats and polotics don't work. how many people are gonna get punched out cause this thread. all i see happenin is a bar fight with alot o busted egos.
heres the skinny
the gorram goverment sux. it is oppressive and wants to control its citizens. ever see V for Vendetta? the president has such little actual power that it don't matter what pansy gets put in there its just someone different to get mad at. the dmes will always complain the loudest and all the reps will always act superior. one of these days maybe we can get rid of the jackasses and elephants.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
My track record on accuracy is pretty damn good, thank you very much
What he means is:
I've never backed up anything with facts before, because they aren't there, so I'm not about to start now because you ask!
This is high-larious, seriously, AURaptor hasn't been accurate once in all the time I've seen him post on these boards.
Ignorantly ignoring reality and a racist bigot yes, accurate no.
Your track record on accuracy is, sweetheart, non-existant.
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You want to go back and rehash over what's been documented? Why ? What purpose would it serve ?
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The facts don't support AURaptors ignorant bigotry, so why would he want those included here?
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Why don't you go read it for yourself, and maybe you'll read some of what I'm talking about for the 1st time.
I doubt that, you see people who aren't ignorant racists find it hard to understand your point of view.
They don't like it when you present facts to 'em, I worked that out myself.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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And I'm still waiting for that point by point with Aurpator about how GWB is a such a success and the economy (waves a careless hand) is doing great! But it seems he's abandoned ship on that one!
They don't like it when you hold them to their words. I worked that out myself.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And I'm still waiting for that point by point with Aurpator about how GWB is a such a success and the economy (waves a careless hand) is doing great!
Production and transportation of military supplies is up. Oil companies are seeing record profits, so much so that the government has to make a phoney show of public support in denying extra perks to them. The Middle East is unstable, and ripe for moulding. Nobody's bombed us in quite a while.
SUCCESS!
Mission: Accomplished.
They don't like it when you see it from another perspective, I worked that out myself Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And I'm still waiting for that point by point with Aurpator about how GWB is a such a success and the economy (waves a careless hand) is doing great! But it seems he's abandoned ship on that one!
They don't like it when you hold them to their words. I worked that out myself.
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Free as in freedom, not beer.
What's to respond to ? It's a moot point, Sig. Despite 15(?)million illegal aliens, hurricanes and disasters along the Gulf states,( along w/ knocked out oil drilling platforms and refineries) and military conflict in 2 different counries things are going damn well. Consumer confidence is up, the rate of growth is high ( 4.8 % ) and the unemployment is down. It's been that way for how many quarters in a row now ? What don't you understand?
Never mind, the space for that list would lead to another thread
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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citizen,
you sure do like to toss around the 'racist' charge a lot. Too bad you don't understand what that word means, or you sure as hell wouldn't be able to apply that toward me. But you need something to attack me with, since facts are so far gone from your reach.
Islam is not a race. It's a religion. Of sorts. Those who murder in the name of Islam ( teorrorist ) aren't genetically inferior to anyone, just brain washed.
Nothing I've said or posted in any way suggests I'm a 'racist'. Why ? Because I'm not a racist. It's that simple. But you're so unhinged and bent out of shape that I'd have a differnt view from you that you feel the need to strike out.
Too bad you're not unhinged and bent out of shape at what the Islamic terrorist are doing. Even after the London tube bombings, you ignore the real threat. I am at a loss as to how to discuss much of anything with you.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Well, I wanted to make sure that these were the criteria you were using, not, say the Federal budget, balance of trade, manufacturing capacity, median wages, or total savings or any number of possible economic indicators. Because I was under the impression that when challenged to provide statistics you picked out positive indicators ... Which BTW were NOT the same as the ones you just cited earlier. Previously it was consumer confidence, consumer spending, and home sales ... just because they happened to be positive in the article that your eyes lit upon. Because when I lead you over a cliff in this dicussion you're not going to weasel out and decide that other indicators are more robust or meaningful. That's why!
What's to respond to ? It's a moot point, Sig. Despite 15(?)million illegal aliens, hurricanes and disasters along the Gulf states,(along w/ knocked out oil drilling platforms and refineries) and military conflict in 2 different counries things are going damn well. Consumer confidence is up, the rate of growth is high ( 4.8 % ) and the unemployment is down.
So my first question is: which indicators do you REALLY want to discuss? The first set, or the second set?
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Soupcatcher, (great profile name by the way, one of my favorite small characters. Too bad he didn't get a chance to become a recurring one 
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You stated,
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” Well, Clinton had not even thought about Ginsburg before speaking with Hatch. Hatch is a Republican. Sounds like a Republican selected nominee to me.”
I’m afraid this argument still doesn’t hold any water in my opinion. Are you saying that given other more conservative choices, Sen. Hatch and other Republicans would still have chosen Ginsberg? If the answer is no, then I think it cannot be argued that she was their selection. What does it matter where Pres. Clinton heard of Judge Ginsberg from? The President made the selection bearing in mind the advice he received from all those he consulted. I agree that he made a very shrewd choice (what do you expect from one of the shrewdest politicians of all time?) and give credit where credit is due, but the choice or selection was his in the end, not Hatch’s or his fellow republicans. Pres. Clinton was acting in a statesmanlike manner by taking Sen. Hatch’s advice to heart and I think it was statesmanlike of Sen. Hatch to offer the advice in a constructive way. Cheers all around for statesmanship! (And there was much rejoicing...yeaaa!)
In your post addressing Aruptor you stated,
Quote:You use this quote to support your contention that there were potential nominees that the GOP senators were prepared to fight tooth and nail over and damn the political consequences.
” According to Hatch, "there would be a great deal of resistance from the Republican side," to Bruce Babbitt”
I notice that you left out the an important piece of Hatch’s statement which was in total,
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” I told him that confirmation would not be easy. At least one Democrat would probably vote against Bruce, and there would be a great deal of resistance from the Republican side. I explained to the President that although he might prevail in the end, he should consider whether he wanted a tough, political battle over his first appointment to the Court.”
I think that fact that the Babbit would have had members of the President’s own party opposing him speaks volumes about how controversial a nominee he would have been. Sen. Hatch was giving the President good advice when he suggested staying away from this nominee. You later said when addressing my arguments, {quote]” A few names were tossed out. The judges were liberal, the Republicans were the minority party after all and this was a Democratic administration so they couldn't ask for a conservative judge and expect to be taken seriously, but not as liberal as judges that Clinton could've nominated. Rather than risking an ugly confirmation battle, Clinton accepted their suggestion. The Senate confirmed Ginsburg easily.”
I don’t think it is so cut and dry. Clearly, if members of the President’s own party would be opposed to a nominee the ugly confirmation battle would have been more ugly for the President not the GOP. If Sen. Hatch and the GOP senators wanted such a fight, they could’ve just kept their mouths shut and let the President choose a nominee they knew would cause a split in the President’s own party.
Sidenote: Hmmm! Didn’t a few GOP senators oppose Alito? Seems like that was a pretty ugly confirmation battle, very interesting.
You conclude by saying,
Quote:I think this is what happened in both cases actually. The GOP senators clearly would have preferred a different nominee than Ginsberg, but obviously did not have any choice in the matter, just as Democratic senators did not have any choice with Alito. There may be some validity to your point about asking for advice, but lets face it, the party in power doesn’t always have to seek an
” The revisionism changes the story from an example of the party in the majority asking for advice from the party in the minority to a case of the party in the minority having to bend over and take whatever the party in the majority decides.”
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen,
you sure do like to toss around the 'racist' charge a lot.
Only where it's warranted
.In fact the only person I've described as racist around here would be YOU. So you see I don't toss it around a lot at all, I use it where it's warranted...
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But you need something to attack me with, since facts are so far gone from your reach.
No, facts are one my side, what you think are facts (i.e. bigotry ignorance, stupidity, propaganda, outright lies etc) are one yours. So yes, using your definition of facts they're beyond my reach and solely in your hands.
Using everyone else's term for facts, not so much.
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Islam is not a race. It's a religion. Of sorts. Those who murder in the name of Islam ( teorrorist ) aren't genetically inferior to anyone, just brain washed.
Ahhh, quibbling now are we? It's okay for AURaptor to hate a group because of religion, because a religion isn't a race! So in your reality the Nazi hatred of Jews was okay. It wasn't racism, after all.
Okay, your a religiousist, same thing as racist but instead of judging people based on race, you do it based on religion. Oh and since the vast majority of Western Muslims are in racial minorities and your discriminating against them, your also a racist.
Oh and so you know a believing one group to be genetically superior to another is only one form of racism. Another would be to judge an entire group on the actions of a small minority, like calling all African-Americans violent gang members because a small minority are involved in gangs, or calling all Catholics terrorists because of the IRA...
Do you see where I'm going here, or do we need to break out the AURaptor pop-up and crayoning book edition?
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Nothing I've said or posted in any way suggests I'm a 'racist'. Why ? Because I'm not a racist. It's that simple. But you're so unhinged and bent out of shape that I'd have a differnt view from you that you feel the need to strike out.
Yes, that's the reason. It's funny how racists and religiousist never think they are bigoted or anything of the sort.
Like PirateNews, he's so anti-Jew he could be a card carrying member of the Neo-Nazi's if he wanted, but he doesn't consider himself a racists/religousist/whatever, because it *REALLY* is the Jews that are evil! He's just pointing out the truth that the rest of us are too afraid to admit.
Like AURaptor, he's so anti-Muslim it's not funny. But he doesn't consider himself a racist/religiousist/whatever, because it *REALLY* is the Muslims that are evil! He's just pointing out the truth that the rest of us are too afraid to admit.
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Too bad you're not unhinged and bent out of shape at what the Islamic terrorist are doing. Even after the London tube bombings, you ignore the real threat. I am at a loss as to how to discuss much of anything with you.
What I don't irrationally hate people based on their religion like some sort of bigot? No your right, well done. I don't side step or hate Catholics for the bombings performed by the IRA, which, BTW have taken far more lives of my fellow countrymen than Islamic terrorism.
You see, I'm not an ignorant bigot, unlike you. Your at a loss on how to discuss these matters because you are two ignorant to actually understand the situation, you hear the racist/religousist propaganda and assume that's correct, mainly because you don't hear any other sides of the story because you're two bigoted to want to
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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citizen - you're so full of your self worth and politically correct crap that you can't stand to be shown where you're wrong. Instead of backing up your claim, you only make more absurd replies and hope everyone else forgets the oh so important point that you have no basis for your charges. I'm not a racist now, but I'm a Nazi? Boy, that's a good one. Too bad it's been used to death for the past 50 years by the Left wing nuts who whine like spoiled brats when they've beaten in any discussion.
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Oh and so you know a believing one group to be genetically superior to another is only one form of racism. Another would be to judge an entire group on the actions of a small minority, like calling all African-Americans violent gang members because a small minority are involved in gangs, or calling all Catholics terrorists because of the IRA...
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing, you keep talkin! Amazing. There are not 'forms of racism', you dink. Racism is EXACTLY that..the belief in one group's inherent superiority over all others by way of 'higher' genetics. A notion I find to be fairly absurd, but there are folks who believe in that sort of thing. I'm not one of them, but you keep on throwing names out like 'racist, nazi' if it makes you feel any better. Lord knows, it's all you have.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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