GWB Approval Rating 4/24/06
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Hardware,
I guess that's what I'm curious about. What is going on in their brains?
There are a few here who seem like they really can't help their loose attachment to reality. And then there are others who, by their arguments, seem to know what's normal and what isn't. They try so hard to make bushbaby look normal, capable, honest ... to fit him into a socially acceptable framework. So, how do they glide over the discrepancies that they obviously know exist?
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For starters, Bush's tax cuts were great for the country, and I hope they stay fixed.
How are they great for the country? My parents are middle-class and got almost nothing out of the deal (almost). You later mention that trickle-down economics work, how? If I made half a million a year and got a tax cut that gave me another 10,000 I would probably say "that's nice" and dump it in the bank. I already make so much money that I don't need that money to buy the stuff that I want. You claim that revenue increased with the tax cuts, I would like to see proof, I like to think that I am fairly intelligent and I don't see how that works out.
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His response to terrorism was a needed change from the 'treat it like a criminal case ' stance from the previous administration
Agree, but that doesn't account for Iraq, they had very little to do with terrorism and nothing to do with 9\11. Why not attack Saudi Arabia, Syria or some other country that we haven't already blown the s*** out of? Because Bush wanted Iraq, no president is omnipotent, they will be gone in 8 years or less, they do not have carte blanche over the entire U.S. and the military is not their plaything.
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He had 2 damn good additions to the US Supreme Court ( even w/ the screw up w/ Harriet Myers )
The social liberal in me shudders at the new justices being called damn good. I pesonally feel that the Supreme Court should be ruled by moderates, with the flexibility to change with the times and the rigidity to not shift with every passing fad, not conservatives who think that progressive is just an insurance company, and whose minds are too often ruled by religious doctrines that a healthy portion of Americans do not share. The biggest problem that I have with the new Justices is that Bush shifted the balance from a good one (4 con 4 lib 1 swing) to a not so good one (anything that isn't balanced between con and lib).
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Gore and Kerry are flat out nuts
Not going to disagree with you but Bush and Cheney are short a couple of stabilizers themselves. In reality I believe in what Douglas Adams (i think) said "anyone capable of getting themselves elected President should under no circumstances be allowed to have the job". I think that there are very few people in the government who actually belong in their posts, and my feeling on this crosses party boundaries with ease.
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Gore and his Global warming nonsense
Can you show me that global warming is not real, does not have consequences, and is not caused by us? This is one of those things that has been studied to death and had both sides get "proof" that they were right. My opinion? Better safe than sorry, push for better pollution controls without going overboard. That being said I would rather go overboard than have a President that lets the mega-corps do what they want.
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Kerry w/ his America sucks position
Not so sure on this one, I think that Kerry was not a super-patriot but this goes a little overboard.
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Sometimes it's necessary to go with what's best, and not always what's popular
But then we come to the age-old question of who says what's best? I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point, but unfortunatly I disagree more often than not with what the current administration thinks is best.
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less than thrilled w/ W's weak stance on Illegal immigration
One of the things that's making me mad right now.
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excessive Federal spending
I'm 20, I am probably going to reap the rewards of Bush financial mismanagement and tax cuts (that was sarcastic, just making sure you know)
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he price of gasoline, which has absolutely nothing to do w/ his policy
While OPEC sets the price based on whims, destabilizing the Middle East WILL cause gas prices to go up. This WAS a policy decision that Bush made.
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Tax cuts INCREASED revenue to the Federal Treasurey, not decreased.
Then why is the deficit so bad? Why
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Rightious9
Profits are NOT profit MARGINS. Learn to tell the difference between the 2. And EXXON is doing very well, where'd you get this idea of doing ' sluggish' ?
Oil company employees ARE doing well, from what I hear. Have you heard different? Where ?
Show your proof that anyone went to 'war' for the sake of the oil companies. That's just flat out absurd.
Quote:Whom are they stealing it from? The members of the board, who voted them to their positions ? The stock holders, who are getting returns on their investments ? WHO??? Credit them for first agreeing on the contracts and then doing well for the company, well enough so they get what all parties agreed on.
It's just not the case that these people at the top are earning all of this money. They are stealing it.
Most millionaires earned, and did not inherit their $. True fact.
As for links, do your own research. Seriously, limit your points and I'll try to limit mine, and we'll see what we find.
As for Bush, you missed my point. You're going to give him 'credit' for buying into global warming, yet I'll bet dollars to donuts you don't agree w/ him on embryonic stem cell research, right?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Unwrapped,
I was hoping you could provide detailed answers to my questions (above).
Thanks.
Rue
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Unwrapped,
I was hoping you could provide detailed answers to my questions (above).
Thanks.
Rue
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
Sorry, I've got a life. Too busy. DO your own research.
Ok, here's a bone to get you started.
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Consumer cheer hits four-year high in April
Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:51 AM ET
By Amanda Cooper
NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. consumer confidence in the economy reached a four-year high in April as better job prospects temporarily offset unease over rising gasoline prices, according to data released on Tuesday.
In addition, sales of existing homes rose at a pace faster than expected in March, but analysts warned that the upswing could be short-lived, given the rise in borrowing rates.
Other economic data showed consumer spending was stronger in the third week in April than in the same week last year, aided by a late Easter holiday weekend and a spring clothes shopping spree in some parts of the country.
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=
2006-04-25T155243Z_01_N25397200_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-ECONOMY-DC.XML
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You are making the claims, m' dear. It's up to you to back them up. But if you could back up just one it would help.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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So, AURaptor, how many millions have you made? I assume you are a hard working type, dilligent, resourceful and all that.
We don't need rich daddies to start us off, right? Or 'friends' we owe, or ex-friends we undercut or cheated, or special interest groups giving us kickbacks and such...
Made my first mill doin' the clerk thing when I was just a lad. Parlayed that into my 'Ordinary Joe' Empire. Me and all my friends is richer than Buddha right now!
We can't all be Gates Chrisisall
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Claim backed up and supported. Now, g'nite.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Consumer confidence ('we put the con in confidence!), spending and home sales? Are those your indicators of a strong economy?
LEADING INDICATORS: vendor performance, stock prices, index of consumer expectations, manufacturers' new orders for consumer goods and materials, interest rate spread, building permits, average weekly initial claims for unemployment insurance (inverted), manufacturers' new orders for nondefense capital goods, and real money supply.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=economic_ind
icators&docid=f:00ja05.txt.pdf
Interesting graphs are (p7) total personal income up through 2004 but wage and salary (your work income) flat 2000 - 2002; (p13) unemployment drops steadily 1997 through 2000 then rises significantly above 1997 levels in 2001 and stays there through 2004; well, I gotta go. Family calls. But look through the document. The graphs are 'broken' in 2000 and don't recover.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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So, are consumer confidence, consumer spending, and home sales the indicators by which you judge "the economy"? Think carefully about this Rap. To repeat the question, so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:
ARE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, HOME SALES, AND CONSUMER SPENDING THE INDICATORS BY WHICH YOU JUDGE THE ECONOMY? Yes or no.
Or... when consumer condfidence goes down (which it will next month thanks to high gasoline prices) will you choose another economic indicator? The reason why I'm asking is because I don't want to play a shell game with you, where you pop up with indicators du jour. So stick with "consumer confidence" for the rest of the discussion or pick another indicator that you feel is most appropriate.
Once we have decided whether "the economy" really is doing well we can move on to the rest of your assertions.
Also, please recall that you wanted a point by point discussion. So would I.
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