SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW
POSTED BY: Hera
UPDATED: Monday, May 1, 2006 09:38
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One more thing.
You want this to be a successful effort, yes? Well, at least two people I know who have much influence over the Serenifly fandom are not only not on board with this, but also believe this effort is ill-conceived as is. I am talking about Gossi and SimonF (sorry to bring you guys into this, but this needs to be said). Both of these people have a lot of sway over the fandom, and not having them onboard hurts the effort. I believe if the date stays as-is, not only will your backs be against the wall, but there will be a lingering bad taste in the fandom's mouth over this. In the end, no one is going to blame B!X, no matter how passive-aggressive he is (history being writen by the winners, and all that). If you choose two dates, B!X will still be hyper-defensive and alarmist, and you could doom the second date, by virtue of the "bad press" this effort is getting and will continue to get until June 23.
By changing the date, you can do so much--not the least of which end this drama and keep the fandom united. B!X will always be hyper-defensive, but at least you can try to get Gossi and SimonF to support the effort on an alternative date (or at least not have them so openly questioning it).
My question to the organizers is this: What means more, the fact that this date was chosen 2 weeks ago, and it must stick no matter what, or trying to get as many people, both new fans and old, united in this effort?
Keep it June 23, and I'm sorry, but my feeling is this will not be near as successful as you all hope.
Once again, though, best of luck. And I mean that sincerely. :)
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One, I found out about the screenings after the endeavor to buy the DVD. Ok, no big deal, If I could go to one I would and for an awesome cause. This is the only FF site I visit.
When we say WE need more time to prepare..(i.e. Sept. 30th) Does this mean WE will be appointing people to do specific things for this day? To
get things organized we have to be organized. Sorry, I can't see his happening effectively over the net. Without clear, compromising
leadership... we are already at each others throats after a few weeks.
What I do see is what HAS been happening all along; suggestions being made and people run with it on their own. 1 makes a website or stickers or posters.
For one, I have tried to recruit everyone I know since the day I finished the series. I have already pressured the same to support the 23rd.
And I think we are after the people that are not die-hard fans yet. To get the numbers we need means tapping into the "casual fan's" pocket.
If I tell a casual fan or DVD buyer, oh wait, forget the 23rd. It is now Sept. 30th, they will be like “is this worth it, better change my calendar right now”? I think regardless of unanimous support we will see a sales spike both days now. The numbers we need ARE great, it may take two days.
I see threats, "if u change it i am not gonna do it" Whah whah whah... Beleive me no one person is gonna change it. Isn’t “the one true goal” to get the BDHs back?
For the date change reasoning:
I do know Universal is not concerned about how gracious we are to any fellow browncoats and the clock is ticking. We put money in there hands
and they pay attention.
I would think that no one involved with wonder woman would want the BCs riding the promo coattail and that COULD be negative. Or even an
albatross for Joss. (would he love it though?). I think the Serenity will be hyped on its own around that time.
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I am a supporter of the day change. 11th Hour made some great suggestions, going to cons getting support(even from verse actors). But I proprose a compromise. Let june 23rd not be just serenity day but a start of a long camapaign. Ending on Sept 30th. various waves, missions in the summer, everyone can participate in. that way we can do more than just"get Universal to notice", but to get people to notice, and show we are in it for the long haul.
Thats my piece.
ETA:
I just realized that 11th hour posted just that... two days june 23rd and sept 30th. whops Im an idiot :P
Oh and in terms of Gossi...check out the post on whedonesque at the end.
http://whedonesque.com/comments/10149#121449
Gossi does not"support it" but he isn't on all out war to stomp us out. He actually likes the way this is going, and inf act even mentioned it in his newsletter he sent out from serenitymovie.org
And you know those two.. are not the only ones in the fandom. I like to think 11thHour is an honourable person who has been here since the beginning. I'M sure Jeremy Niesh would support this venture, although I cant speak for him, judging from his previous comments and opinions, he would welcome any fan endavour. He is busy now with done the impossible dvd, but as soon as he finishes... im sure he would love to join in(has anyone contacted him?)
Prakash
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Ack! One more thing [gotta stop saying, that, I keep thinking up new points].
Fan campaigns can and do succeed. Look at what B!X himself is doing. By forcing this to be so soon--for no other reason then June 23 is the date that's been promoted for all of two weeks--it's going to encourage chaos.
What this campaign needs is leadership and planning. More time will only help with that. Time encourages cohesiveness; being rushed (and dealing with hurt feelings and bad mojo on top of it) encourages more chaos.
Like 11th said, you all are going to basically have one shot to make this work. Rush it, and it will fail. Plan it, get the other sites on board, and it will do much better.
By the way, I post/lurk on many FF sites, and mod at serenitymovie.org, as well as being a long-time fan. Those of you who think the fans at fff.net is big enough to carry this plan through are, frankly, misguided. Without whedonesque, serenitymovie.org, or even the OB on board with this, you will never reach the potential numbers you could if you just let things cool down and wait 3 months.
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Originally posted by kurya:
Let june 23rd not be just serenity day but a start of a long camapaign. Ending on Sept 30th. various waves, missions in the summer, everyone can participate in.
OMG! It all makes sense now! Thank you for suggesting this, Kurya. It's the forest for the trees.
It seems it's the planning and coming to a concensus that is yet to happen. Planning until June 23rd, doing a rollout of the promotional materials needed on that date so that we all start the dance on the same foot, with the purchase date being September 30th.
It's so simple an idea! It may just work.
I can just hear all the veterans going "Uh, yeah. The planning."
"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas
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Hey.
Acutally if you read 11th hours words, she is saying the same thing... hehe she is the genius. *bows to 11th Hour!!!!* :P And she thought it first awhile ago...I think I was just collating the ideas together.
Seriously... you can do the purchase on june 23rd. I know this may be less of an impact, but if we have a smaller spike on june 23rd , and a larger spike on sept 30th, I think it would be great. There are those with enthusiasm that want to buy it on june 23rd... and have friends and they want to press them... so let them! Once they buy the dvd... (see firefly etc). You can have THEM press others to buy on Sept 30th! Like a widespread 2-D chain effect thingy(you get what I say right?)
There are those of us here for the long haul( I am), so lets go for both june 23rd sept 30th.... but for those of us who want to press on june 23rrd lets do it.
In fact I would venture to change the banners, and the signatures etc to :
June 23rd is only the beginning. Serenity Campaign.
Or something like that.
Or to remove references to 23rd.
Joss Whedon's Birthday will be the beginning of something new. Serenity Campaign
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Hi Prakash. :)
No, I know Gossi and Simon aren't the only fans out there, but they both have a lot of sway (btw, getting Jeremy on board is a very good idea) (and as honorable as 11th is, she doesn’t have a website with thousands of visitors each day. Invoking her name has cache with the fandom, but it doesn’t do much more for the effort then that, and many new fans don't know who she is anyway). While Gossi isn't technically against the effort, neither is he exactly going out of his way to show any kind of support. Whereas B!X is getting a lot of support from Gossi, and good press on whedonesque (not exactly Simon's doing, of course, but he has come out and said this was one of the worst fan ideas he's heard). I'm not saying folks need to kiss ass or anything, but I do think it's important that when it's big numbers you're looking for, you cover as much ground as you can. Build bridges, make friends, prove Simon wrong. :)
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Prove Simon and Bix wrong :P
Well I think, if we can get Gossi's support for the post june 23rd bulge.... (since SNEN will be out of the way), it would be great. How about Haken on this site, is he still around? Can we put banners on this website etc.
Prakash
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This is great. I'm going to come out and say it so the arguing can be over, because I hate arguing. Since what we need in this campaign is numbers to make it work, I agree with Kuyra and Hera. Up until June 23 we spread the word that something big is going to happen to re-light Firefly. On june 23 we begin a letter campaign Universal and anyone else including newspapers, online news site, even the BDH's if you want. That goes on constantly until Sept. 30, gaining momemtum and numbers. Even spread the word at conventions, that'll be huge. And then on Sept. 30 the massive DVD purchase hits.
Remember, we're fighting a war here. If we just do something on June 23, we are only fighting one battle and then waiting to see the result. So instead we fight a campaign that can grow and adapt over time, then we come with the rear hand strike. It's a one-two punch.
So there I said it, thats the plan. Go out, spread the word, support the charity screenings for their cause and not ours, and on June 23 the campaign begins for a Sept. 30 finale. QED, done.
One goal.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.
On June 23rd, you can't stop the signal.
On September 30, we aim to misbehave.
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Originally posted by FollowMal: There are a lot of fine people who were intitially involved with this who don't like the way this is devolving. Don't like this backstabbing, fighting atmosphere. Miss the board being the friendly wonderful place it used to be. I am one.
*waves* I'm another. The nastiness I've seen both here and on Whedonesque has been almost Reaver-worthy, but frankly, it's about to turn me off from the whole shootin' match.
I'm votin' for Sept. 30th. We need more time. Two months to do what we've got our sights on, just ain't enough time. Add to that, having problems getting the word out in many areas of the WWW due to infighting with our fellow Browncoats...I just can't say, what that would do to us.
The Serenity Now/Equality Now folks need space and respect. I personally don't care iffin' its not reciprocated, they planned their event...their charity event first--and well in advance--so they at least deserve it for that, even if you feel they don't deserve 'em for nothin' else. I've done charity organizing before--not at that level, but I've done it and quite frankly, it's a highly stressful endeavour (and don't forget to add all your other usual stresses into it...family, work, bills, etc). The bigger the project, the higher the stress, so while I'm unhappy at the messages I've seen from SN/EN's organizer, I understand it and can sympathize. (The 'hate-me' line forms over there to the left. <----
) I know a lot of folks don't understand why he doesn't see it as help and support for the charity event, but since he isn't seeing it that way, I think we should back off and come at this from another day. In other words, if we're pissing other people in our own fandom off, we're only hamstringing ourselves. ---> 
The sales for both the show and the BDM are still good...I doubt that it's likely that Universal will throw it all away that quickly--and make no mistake, three months ain't that much time, folks. For a movie that was released on DVD five months ago, to still be seling that well, is makin' them take notice. They've already shown that they can be trusted not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so let's afford them a bit 'o respect, too, okay?
As I've seen in several posts here and 'abroad,' I think we need to make this a bit less 'lets show 'em we mean business,' and more of 'thank you, kindly, we appreciate what ya'll done for us.' But then, that's just MHO; YMMV.
I'm off to go look for happy, shiny threads and fics.
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