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SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:57 PM
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Originally posted by aztechrome:
We HAVE to keep it the 23rd.
Our fanbase does not exist in an environment which supports sudden change.
Really? Are browncoats so fragile and easily discouraged that a date change will collapse the environment? Whoa... if the fanbase is that easily toppled, it wasn't very strong to begin with.
Remember, Serenity was originally scheduled to be released on April 22nd. Universal changed the date after several weeks. Sure it caused a fuss, but the browncoats regrouped and continued the campaign. Give the fans some credit.
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Everyone here knows that the 23rd is the day.
If we change it, we're going to lose a significant percentage of our participants.
Everyone? Who is this "everyone" of whom you speak? This idea only just got started. Believe me there are still many, many fans who don't know about this campaign yet. And if you're concerned about losing participants, well there will be a big loss of good people if the date stays on the 23rd. Good people who sincerely believe that Serenity Day needs to take place on September 30th.
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Remember, everybody is doing this out of good will. No one is compelled.
If we start changing dates, titles, times, etc.; the effort will simply become confused. Our efforts will dissipate.
You forgot the part where the sky is falling...
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Just buy it on Amazon or whereever if you can't get to a video store to buy a copy. It's not that hard.
I say our board is big enough. I've been telling people in my community that the 23rd is the day.
The numbers of members who frequent this board are not big enough to make the kind of impact on Universal people want for the DVD buying campaign. Anyone who has experience with these kinds of fan generated campaigns, especially the Firefly/Serenity ones, knows that. Also, as much as people may wish it, not everyone on this board will participate. Anyway, are you counting total number of members? A lot of people who registered over the years don't check in too often, or at all, any more.
Besides, wouldn't it be a good to get an idea of just how strong the sales will be by have a "first phase" buying campaign on the 23rd. Then use those figures to gage how to proceed with the really big Serenity Day campaign on September 30th?
11th Hour
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by 11thHour:Quote:
Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
Who frakkin' cares?!
I think the only thing Universal would care about is the spike in Serenity DVD sales. Do you think they would like that to happen sooner or later? Or both? And which option would help our cause the most? My answer would be the third option. Both days. If the name of the day has to be official, then June 23rd could be "Serenity Day" and September 30th could be "Serenity Anniversary". But do we have to get caught up in this useless argument over what specific day is called what? The point is to generate a spike in sales of the DVD. Let's focus on that rather than gettin' caught up in the silly details. All we need to do is what will help our cause. One day of a sales spike is good, two days is better. I get the feeling that's how Universal would see it.
Again, I don't mean to sound....however I may be sounding. I'm saying this in the most polite way I know how. So excuse me if none of that came out in a polite fashion.
This was you trying to be polite? Dude, needs work.
Thanks for the unpolite comment in return.
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Your post misses a lot of the points... points that people who have been following this subject are already familiar with. While this is a message board and a place for expressing opinions, an informed opinion is a lot more valuable to a discussion.
What points? The bottom line is a spike in DVD sales. I don't see the disconnect. The least you can do is explain it to me if there's some big piece of the puzzle I'm missing. I don't spend all day on message boards.
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And since this thread was meant as a place to vote, and you don't "frakkin" care... then why are you here? Just to add yet more negativity and conflict to a subject that already has too much?
What negativity? I said I wanted you take what I said in a polite manner. I'm not trying to start anything. On the contrary, I just supported an idea for how to end the squabbling and conflict.
By the way, why am I here? Cause I love Firefly/Serenity and I wanna support it. I said I don't care about the names of days and junk like that. Just pick a day. Heck, pick two. Names aren't important. What's important is the action taken.
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An idea...
What about if June 23rd became like a kind of dry run to test the effectiveness of the campaign? Keep campaigning to have folks buy DVDs on that date (Happy Birthday Joss!), afterward, we can see what the sales figures ended up being. Then the battle plan will become a lot clearer. Either the numbers will be really great (don't mean to be negative, but doubt that truly "awesome" numbers can happen in such a short amount of time), or the sales will be a lot less than all the great expectations were hoping for. But at least some "real world" results will be available.
Then folks can get geared up for Serenity Day on September 30th. Either with confidence that we're already coming from a strong place, or the cold, hard realization that there's still a whole lotta promotin' to be done.
Oh, so we do BOTH days. Thank you for finally coming around.
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
And if you're concerned about losing participants, well there will be a big loss of good people if the date stays on the 23rd. Good people who sincerely believe that Serenity Day needs to take place on September 30th.
Listen to what she speaks, Browncoats.. she is right about this one. There are a lot of fine people who were intitially involved with this who don't like the way this is devolving. Don't like this backstabbing, fighting atmosphere. Miss the board being the friendly wonderful place it used to be. I am one. Do you think folks who are sensible want to be involved with a campaign with this much against it right off the bat? I know folks who will not stay with this if it doesn't change.
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The numbers of members who frequent this board are not big enough to make the kind of impact on Universal people want for the DVD buying campaign.
Another truth. We here on FFF.net are insular. We think those shiny numbers coming in are the folks who frequent this place every day and are on here posting constantly. That is not so. There is a small core group of folks who are here all the time and some who come and go. You are all miscounting the support from fans on other boards... they do not feel the same way about this. Some of them are looking at this fighting and have no desire to be associated with this campaign.
We need numbers, big numbers to do this right. More time gives us those numbers. It's just sensible. Does a general go into battle with not enough troops and expect to be successful? Do they go into battle fighting amongst themselves and expect to win? That is what we are talking about here.
"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:23 PM
June 23rd it my vote, unless we can somehow agree to do something on BOTH days.
~Jimi
One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://serenityjune23rd.com/
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:24 PM
I have two points to make.
First, I vote for September. It does make more sense to take more time and recruit more Browncoats. Plus, showing a united front makes a whole lot of sense.
Second, who is in charge of making the final decision? Effectiveness on the battlefield demands that there must be a leader, and that the troops must follow, even if they don't necessarily agree.I have no ego in this, so tell me which way to shoot, and I'll shoot. I'll shoot twice if I have to.
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:25 PM
I have two points to make.
First, I vote for September. It does make more sense to take more time and recruit more Browncoats. Plus, showing a united front makes a whole lot of sense.
Second, who is in charge of making the final decision? Effectiveness on the battlefield demands that there must be a leader, and that the troops must follow, even if they don't necessarily agree.I have no ego in this, so tell me which way to shoot, and I'll shoot. I'll shoot twice if I have to.
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by FollowMal:
Listen to what she speaks, Browncoats.. she is right about this one. There are a lot of fine people who were intitially involved with this who don't like the way this is devolving. Don't like this backstabbing, fighting atmosphere. Miss the board being the friendly wonderful place it used to be. I am one. Do you think folks who are sensible want to be involved with a campaign with this much against it right off the bat? I know folks who will not stay with this if it doesn't change.
Right now, I'm feeling like not staying with this. This whole thing is becoming more complicated than it really needs to be. That's what's causing this infighting. It should be simple. We got a day. Stick with it. We got another day as well. And we'll go with that. That's not difficult. If you keep it simple, things stay simple and fun. But if you start making things more complex than need be, by having official names and stuff that a lot of people need to agree on, you're just gonna get more arguing. A large group of people aren't gonna agree on the exact same thing.
Stop with the voting. Say "Show up on June 23rd." Also say "Then show up on September 30th." That's not hard. Keep it simple for everyone.
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:42 PM
Had to delete this... first time a double post happened to me.
Scroll down for the post that was here... then got duplicated for some reason...
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by 11thHour:Quote:
Originally posted by aztechrome:
We HAVE to keep it the 23rd.
Our fanbase does not exist in an environment which supports sudden change.
Really? Are browncoats so fragile and easily discouraged that a date change will collapse the environment? Whoa... if the fanbase is that easily toppled, it wasn't very strong to begin with.
Remember, Serenity was originally scheduled to be released on April 22nd. Universal changed the date after several weeks. Sure it caused a fuss, but the browncoats regrouped and continued the campaign. Give the fans some credit.
I give the fans plenty of credit. I'm one of them. But FFF.net is among the most rabid places on the net regarding the 'verse; and we're not even focused on one plan. I'm not so worried about a postponement as a dispersed and meaningless effort. Too many cooks are spoiling the soup here. The plan needs to be concretized.
Look at the board. People are confused, and have their own ideas.
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Everyone here knows that the 23rd is the day.
If we change it, we're going to lose a significant percentage of our participants.
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Everyone? Who is this "everyone" of whom you speak? This idea only just got started. Believe me there are still many, many fans who don't know about this campaign yet. And if you're concerned about losing participants, well there will be a big loss of good people if the date stays on the 23rd. Good people who sincerely believe that Serenity Day needs to take place on September 30th.
Well, it's been the 23rd ever since I remember dates being bandied around. Now we've got a schism over the 23rd/30th and some people wanting to put forth 2 efforts instead of one, etc. Sounds to me like the meaningless blip that some people have been calling our effort will be even more meaniningless if it happens in two or three increments within a nebulous plan of attack. Go for the 30th if you think it's better for some reason. I still don't see why the efforts can't be complimentary if unfortunately unaffiliated.
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Remember, everybody is doing this out of good will. No one is compelled.
If we start changing dates, titles, times, etc.; the effort will simply become confused. Our efforts will dissipate.
You forgot the part where the sky is falling...
If the sky's falling we should do something sooner rather than later.
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Just buy it on Amazon or whereever if you can't get to a video store to buy a copy. It's not that hard.
I say our board is big enough. I've been telling people in my community that the 23rd is the day.
The numbers of members who frequent this board are not big enough to make the kind of impact on Universal people want for the DVD buying campaign. Anyone who has experience with these kinds of fan generated campaigns, especially the Firefly/Serenity ones, knows that. Also, as much as people may wish it, not everyone on this board will participate. Anyway, are you counting total number of members? A lot of people who registered over the years don't check in too often, or at all, any more.
Besides, wouldn't it be a good to get an idea of just how strong the sales will be by have a "first phase" buying campaign on the 23rd. Then use those figures to gage how to proceed with the really big Serenity Day campaign on September 30th?
11th Hour
Again, I don't think there's enough focus to run 2 campaigns. And if we mux things up any more, we won't even know what to make of the June 23rd numbers or what they represent.
Secondly, unlike most EVERYONE ELSE. I think the 23rd could be a felicitous date. Can't we share? We did B!x a favor by advertising those gigs on our boards. B!x accused us of solipsizing the 'verse, but his comments are clearly the finest example of solipsistic epistemology. I don't think anyone was trying to "steal" anything here at FFF.net.
Finally, I'll buy a second copy of Serenity, out of dedication. But I have my limits
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
What points? The bottom line is a spike in DVD sales. I don't see the disconnect. The least you can do is explain it to me if there's some big piece of the puzzle I'm missing. I don't spend all day on message boards.
And I also don't want to expend more energy explaining what has already been posted in several threads.
The short: The bottom line is NOT just a spike in DVD sales. The Serenity Day campaign is being geared to have really huge sales, huge enough to impress Universal.
There are conflicting purposes here. The website for Serenity Day wants to wow Universal with enough sales to convince them to make a sequel. Other fans are content with showing a spike in sales. These are two VERY DIFFERENT goals.
This thread is for voting on which day to designate Serenity Day. The BIG day for really showing awesome sales to Universal. That kind of campaign needs a lot of time and work to really pull off. If not, then the fan base still looks too small, at least in Universal's eyes, to warrant the kind of investment more incarnations of Serenity will cost.
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What negativity? I said I wanted you take what I said in a polite manner. I'm not trying to start anything. On the contrary, I just supported an idea for how to end the squabbling and conflict.
Take some responsibility. When you start a post with "Who frakkin cares?!" that comes off as combative.
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By the way, why am I here? Cause I love Firefly/Serenity and I wanna support it. I said I don't care about the names of days and junk like that. Just pick a day. Heck, pick two. Names aren't important. What's important is the action taken.
If you read more closely, I was asking why you were here, in this thread, if you don't "frakkin'" care much about the date. This is a thread for voting. If you really don't care, then why not just see what the result turns out to be and go with it?
Keep your thoughts clear. If you're posting and chiming in, you do care. People who don't care don't post
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Oh, so we do BOTH days. Thank you for finally coming around.
I have been saying that the fans can acknowledge both days for a while now. I was making a distinction between how to approach each of the days... and I made the distinction with reasons not brought up by other people yet.
• June 23rd ~ First test run to see what numbers of the DVD buying campaign are. Use this info and experience to improve the campaign for the BIG buying endeavor on Serenity Day, September 30th.
• Choose a 'verse themed name for June 23rd that does not include the word "Serenity". This will do a lot to separate the campaign from the "Serenity Now/Equality Now" screenings, and turn the heat off all the conflicts over the endeavors occuring on the same date.
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