SerenityDay: Change the Date? VOTE NOW
POSTED BY: Hera
UPDATED: Monday, May 1, 2006 09:38
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Fellow Browncoats,
I, too, am voting to move Serenity Day to September 30th. Here's my rationale (I kinda copied a lot from what I wrote on a private list; but as the issue hasn't changed, nor should my words have to).
I remember a Seinfeld episode, where Jerry explains how, in Children's Court, all issues are resolved by "calling" them. "But, Your Honor, I wanted to sit in the front-seat." "But did you call it? No? Sorry, kiddo, you have to call it. Overruled!" I kinda feel we experienced a day in Children's Court. :) We got slammed, hard, because basically another person "called" the 23rd first; and the majority of the Judges in question, on Whedonesque, ruled against us on that basis.
Now, for the worthier part, can we expect to win an appeal? Or rather, is it wise to even try? See, that's what it boils down to, for me. Momentum ain't exactly an ex-nihilo thing; it's like gravity: the real pull only starts when your mass increases. And for that to happen, we need the cooperation of folks in the field. Were people rude or insensitive to our efforts? Don't matter none. In the simplest of terms, we simply cannot afford to lose, or alienate, the very people we need for this to work. As Mal pointed out, eliminating the middle man is never as simple as it sounds. This quadrant, we play nice. Got enemies enough as it is.
Things got ugly. And that's regrettable. As the Operative said so well: "We should have done this as men. Not with fire." After all, what's in a day? As River pointed out, "Day" is just a vestigial mode of time measurement. :) That's all it really is. There's no objective reason we cannot reschedule for another day. I mean, we can squabble over people bitchin' about us wanting to sit on someone else's chair; and whether it's really his chair; or who died and made him king, etc. And we could really do all that, if deemed necessary. But foremost on our minds, I think, should be the question: do we really NEED to sit on someone else's chair? "Days", as River said, are based on solar cycles. Applicable. :) Which means, we got about 364 others to choose from. I'd say, we do just that; I'm thinking we'll rise again at another date.
Also, I hate fighting. I mean, I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. :) But, in all earnest, I'm here for River, and the company of my fellow Browncoats. And I thought this was just about us picking up a few extra DVD sets on a given day. Why'd this get so complicated?
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Originally posted by 11thHour:Quote:
Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
I agree with the notion to keep June 23rd and then do a follow-up on September 30th.
Why can't we do both?
Acknowledging both days can certainly be done.
But the main question is, which day will be specifically designated "Serenity Day"? The day geared to demonstrate to Universal, with BIG DVDs sales, that the fans have significant buying power.
So between the two dates, which provides the best chance to really dazzle Universal with numbers that even a major studio will have to admit are great?
11th Hour
Please take note that I say this politely:
Who frakkin' cares?!
I think the only thing Universal would care about is the spike in Serenity DVD sales. Do you think they would like that to happen sooner or later? Or both? And which option would help our cause the most? My answer would be the third option. Both days. If the name of the day has to be official, then June 23rd could be "Serenity Day" and September 30th could be "Serenity Anniversary". But do we have to get caught up in this useless argument over what specific day is called what? The point is to generate a spike in sales of the DVD. Let's focus on that rather than gettin' caught up in the silly details. All we need to do is what will help our cause. One day of a sales spike is good, two days is better. I get the feeling that's how Universal would see it.
Again, I don't mean to sound....however I may be sounding. I'm saying this in the most polite way I know how. So excuse me if none of that came out in a polite fashion.
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Originally posted by BadgersFlunky:
The Browncoat community is already doing something on June 23rd. That's part of the problem.
Some things are in motion already for Serenity Day on the 23rd, and it might be a little inconvenient to shift gears to Sept. 30. But there are so many benefits for waiting until September.
Is there anything that is underway that absolutely can't be used or adapted for Sept 30? I think that we should give people more credit than that. This whole idea has been around all of two weeks, and I'm sure that the momentum can carry on. Some people want instant gratification, and lots of people don't want to move the day just because the charity screenings leader is mad. I don't think we should move the date because of him, I think we should move it because it's for the best. What's the use of doing Serenity Day at all if we aren't going to do it right?
Let's take the time, spread the word, and really rock Sept. 30!!
IMHO, some folks are missing the point of the desire to change it to another day. We aren't going to be able to merge the Serenity Day and Serenity Now/Equality Now campaigns. They ARE NOT going to be mutually beneficial to each other. He does not desire our help, our input or to share the day with us. He won't stop us from stumping for his stuff, but he ain't gonna oblige us with the same. Have you not read his disclaimer and then the bottom "please go read what I really think page"!?
Well, here it is:
http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com/disclaimer/
Instead of getting mad and thinking well, we should just show that guy... I think we need to have more level heads prevail. If this cannot be compromised on and that is now impossible, we should move our date. We help promote the charity screenings and then we turn our attention to our day. In between we recruit and recruit. I have a vision of us trying this too early thinking we're gonna show ole Universal a thing or two about how many folks are gonna buy Serenity and then coming up short and becoming the moonbrains that the folks over on Whedonesque are afraid we are. And as for a follow up on September 30th. If we don't have the numbers on June 23rd to rock their socks off, do you think anyone is going to promote for us again or ride along on the ride again? We get one chance to ace this folks. That is the way it is.
I want more 'verse.. ain't gonna happen if we don't succeed.
"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal
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You all decide on a date and I will be "there" . At this point though, how do we expect hoardes to "show up" when we can't even agree on a date.
As to all the "negative" talk. I have been following the various postings about this for a while, and I have been lurking since the movie came out. Not once did I see any REAL negativity, until I saw the positng by onetruebix.
I am sorry, for a "Charitable Organizer" he hasn't much charity. It saddens me.
Were I NOT already familiar with Equality Now, his demeanor would NOT convince me to check it out or contribute.
But thats just me.
Pick a day, pick 12, I'll be there!
One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!
Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird? 
(he will believe, he will believe)
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Originally posted by SadLittleKing:
Who frakkin' cares?!
I think the only thing Universal would care about is the spike in Serenity DVD sales. Do you think they would like that to happen sooner or later? Or both? And which option would help our cause the most? My answer would be the third option. Both days. If the name of the day has to be official, then June 23rd could be "Serenity Day" and September 30th could be "Serenity Anniversary". But do we have to get caught up in this useless argument over what specific day is called what? The point is to generate a spike in sales of the DVD. Let's focus on that rather than gettin' caught up in the silly details. All we need to do is what will help our cause. One day of a sales spike is good, two days is better. I get the feeling that's how Universal would see it.
Again, I don't mean to sound....however I may be sounding. I'm saying this in the most polite way I know how. So excuse me if none of that came out in a polite fashion.
This was you trying to be polite? Dude, needs work.
Your post misses a lot of the points... points that people who have been following this subject are already familiar with. While this is a message board and a place for expressing opinions, an informed opinion is a lot more valuable to a discussion.
And since this thread was meant as a place to vote, and you don't "frakkin" care... then why are you here? Just to add yet more negativity and conflict to a subject that already has too much?
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missed all the discord
June 23--Joss' birthday--and since so many are already planned--cinemas just cant CHANGE times like that--they "rented" the movie--provided a place for us all to watch
what is the discord-the charity--if you are really against it--dont go seems simple to me
Also, I can kill you with my brain.
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I would take either day...although September 30th is a natural day to celebrate the 'Verse!
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Wow.
I was unaware that it had reached this level of division! Division BAD!!!!!!!!
My official Vote- we change the date of Serenity Day (although I think Sept is too far out. We need something more immediate.)
I fully understand Bix's concern that the Serenity Day campaign could be harmful to the promotion of a benefit for Equality Now.
I also ENTIRELY fail to see how SerenityNow/EqualityNow could fail to benefit from a combined effort.
We've actually gotten more people interested in the charity screenings through our efforts than SerenityNow/EqualityNow managed since it began!
However, after reading Bix's disclaimer, my opinion, I'm kinda of the opinion of screw him and the horse that he rode in on. I think I'll send my donation directly to Equality Now, thanks.
YES, Changing the date is a hassle. A HUGE one, seeing as a number of us have been changing our websites, altering sigs, creating graphics, letters, advertising materials, etc that now ALL have to be redone.
But if it keeps the Browncoats working towards their goals -
1) RAISING MONEY FOR EQUALITY NOW
2) GETTING SERENITY BACK IN THE AIR
-then I'm all for it.
I suggest we focus our June 23rd efforts towards Equality Now (not necessarily Serenity Now) and then pull our marketing stunt later in the summer.
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Sameertia
I am really dismayed at his behavior on the Whedonesque board.
Just not neighborly. But there you go. It is a big 'verse.
I need a set of DVD's to loan and one in case the ones I already have finally succumb to overuse. So if someone tells me when I can get 'em.......................
One day.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.
On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!
Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)
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In an ideal verse we could combine the 2 efforts.But since it appears some people can't share or play nicely ,I think we should wait until Sept.Why not show how gracious we can be in the face of well, nastiness.
Bryce
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