Illegal immigration
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UPDATED: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 17:49
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Point taken.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
if you want to talk about hypocrites you might want to start with the Mexican government
All the more reason peeps would want to leave, though.
No answers Chrisisall
I think everyone can understand their reasons for wanting to come, point is we can't afford to take them.
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Quote:Technically, we actually can afford to take them, we just have to be willing to let go of a large portion of our standard of living, doesn't mean we'd starve or anything, we'd just have more bicycles and less cars, etc.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think everyone can understand their reasons for wanting to come, point is we can't afford to take them.
(Upside- end of the evil car insurance industry
)Livin' too high off the hog anyway Chrisisall
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Quote:One last addition to this thread:
Originally posted by Phaedra:
The people who marched are our neighbors, coworkers, friends and fellow Americans. They deserve respect.
Articles 5 – 10 of the Declaration on the Human Rights of Individuals Who are not Nationals of the Country in which They Live sets out the rights of non-citizens (referred to as “aliens” in the Declaration):
• Aliens must receive the same treatment as nationals of the country in which they live with regard to the following rights:
The right to life and security of the person, including freedom from arbitrary arrest or detention
Protection against arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy, family, home or correspondence
Equality before the courts, including the free assistance of an interpreter
The right to choose a spouse, to marry, and to found a family
Freedom of thought, opinion, conscience and religion
The right to retain language, culture and tradition
The right to transfer money abroad
• The following rights must be granted to aliens so long as they do not interfere with national security, public safety, public order, public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others:
The right to leave the country
The right to freedom of expression
The right to peaceful assembly
The right to own property individually or in association with others
Liberty of movement and freedom to choose their place of residence within the borders of the country
The right of spouse and minor or dependent children to join a lawful alien, as provided by national law
• Aliens lawfully residing in the country must be granted the following rights so long as they observe the country’s laws and respect the customs and traditions of the people:
The right to safe and healthy working conditions, fair wages, and equal pay for equal work
The right to join trade unions
The right to social services, health care, education, and social security
• The following additional rights of aliens are particularly enumerated in the Declaration:
Protection from torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment
Freedom from being subjected to medical or scientific experimentation without the alien’s free consent
Protection against arbitrary or unlawful expulsion from the country
The right to defend oneself from expulsion, except where compelling reasons of national security require otherwise
Protection from being arbitrarily deprived of lawfully acquired assets
The right to communicate at any time with the consulate or diplomatic mission of the country of which he or she is a national
THESE ARE RIGHTS WE OURSELVES EXPECT FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHEN WE TRAVEL OR WORK.
...Just in case any here want to say anything about 'rights'.
Chrisisall
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So are you saying that those laws apply to illegal aliens too? Because in my book illegal aliens have broken the law (hence the term 'illegal'), so they should have a much more limited set of rights than 'legal' aliens, just as criminals have a reduced set of rights.
Besides, it's not like it's THOSE rights that they were protesting for. They basically already have those ones. The protestors are looking for MORE rights, ones that they, being illegal immigrants, have no right to have.
Frustrated that people keep ignoring the word 'illegal' Khyronisall
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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I don't know what state you're from, but in WI in-state tuition isn't cheap. In fact, on the basis of money alone, it would almost be cheaper for me to pay out of state tuition at a number of other schools. Lucky for me, my school is a damn good one. Furthermore, as far as I know, one needs to be a citizen/have a green card and a state drivers license to establish residency and get federal aid, so I highly doubt most undocumented workers can afford higher education. At least for awhile.
Also, referencing a previous post of yours, abortion is not genocide.
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Originally posted by Brewski:
Americans in general are the hardest working people in the entire world when compared with other nations. That is a fact.
Do you have stats or links to support your highly dubious 'fact'?
There's a lot of hard-workin' peeps in the world...Chrisisall
I can't quote an actual source off the top of my head at the moment, but Americans work more hours per week and more days per year than nearly everyone in the world. With the exception of I think the Japanese and maybe some other country in Europe.
Whether or not our actual work is harder though, could be up for debate.
I can't believe it's taken me this long to read this thread . . .
*runs off to continue studying for exams*
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I looked into this was about 18 months ago during a discussion as to how to measure worker productivity. Like many things to do with statistics it depends on what you look at.
American worker productivity is amongst the highest in the world (IIRC Korea is greater) BUT Americans work more hours than most industrial economies. If you look at the productivity value per hour American productivity is about average with most western economies with places like Germany and Sweden significantly ahead.
So if you have a "Scotty" style job (you have exactly 3 hours to fix things before the ship explodes) hire a German. If you don't care how long it actually takes but are only willing to pay for 3 hours hire an American (and get the extra time for free...)
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Quote:I have two problems with this.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Frustrated that people keep ignoring the word 'illegal' Khyronisall
1) For me, legal and illegal have little meaning in a country so ready to assign one or the other arbitrarily, or to suit the purpose at hand. There is only what a man can do, and what a man can't do, most CEO's know and operate by this.
2) You're using my 'isall'.
Chrisisall TM (C) 2006
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I'm starting to think that despite the crisis on the border and the millions marching in the streets, and the national security problems, we are at an impasse on this issue.
Everyone agrees the problem exists, but there is no consensus among elected leadership to take action.
I think perhaps this situation needs to explode. A huge riot in Washington or a massacre along the border. The leadership of both parties are in a coma when it comes to this issue and if millions marching peacefully for rights they don't have can't wake people up, then senseless violance might do the job.
I'm not advocating violence by either side,
in fact I hope that it can be avoided and I'm greatly impressed by the demonstrations and behaivor of everyone from the Minutemen's peaceful border watch
to the pro-immigration rallys
across the country. It might just be my frustration
at whats not happening or maybe because I've studied history and it seems a violent act
might be necessary to create the political will to enact a solution.
And its the million illegal Irish we should be really worried about...
My solution, close the border with the military (at least long enough to train and equip the new border patrol and build a nice big fence), guest worker status for everyone here (you can't deport 12 million people), felony offense to employ illegals, immediate deportation for anyone who doesn't register, and the removal of Hillary Clinton office (oddly that also my solution to global warming, the economy, the high gas prices, the sequal to Serenity, what I'm fixing for dinner tonight, and just about any other problem I can think of).
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Originally posted by Sassalicious:
I don't know what state you're from, but in WI in-state tuition isn't cheap. In fact, on the basis of money alone, it would almost be cheaper for me to pay out of state tuition at a number of other schools. Lucky for me, my school is a damn good one. Furthermore, as far as I know, one needs to be a citizen/have a green card and a state drivers license to establish residency and get federal aid, so I highly doubt most undocumented workers can afford higher education. At least for awhile.
Also, referencing a previous post of yours, abortion is not genocide.
I'm a bit confused, was that in response to my post? Because I never said anything about education or abortion, at least not in this thread (and I certainly would never have claimed that abortion is genocide).
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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