Illegal immigration
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 17:49
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I found this in the Opinion section of our "state" newspaper...
Kathleen Parker, Tribune Media Services.
I suspect that the sight of so many people demanding rights to which they have no legal claim will not help the cause of illegals in this country. Let's just say that convincing others of one’s desire to become an American citizen would be more effective if one were to do so in English – while waving an American flag. When in America, I always say, do as the Americans. Speak English. Otherwise, I’m over-the-top pro-Latino and pro-immigrant.
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I agree with a lot of you guys, that illegal immigration is killing the U.S. I think that they are not American citizens, and, therefore, aren't entitled to the rights in the constitution. I also agree that we need to send them back.
The problem is that sending them all back and building a wall is a short term solution. In order to actually fix the problem, we need to fix the roots of the problem. Over the last century, the U.S. has interfered in the affairs of South and Central America intending to destroy their economies, and keep them weak and reliant on the U.S. and it's corporations. More recently, the U.S. has used the World Bank's International Monetary Fund (IMF) as a front for this meddling.
The IMF has succeeded. One example of their success is Argentina. Argentina was once one of the fastest growing economies in South America. They were also one of the wealthiest. Then they took an IMF loan, and the rest is history. The IMF, as part of the terms of their loan, forced Argentina to cancel all public works programs, health benefits, retirement benefits, welfare, etc... In 18 months, Argentina went through five different governments, each one overthrown because it was still saddled with the debt, and still unable to pay under the IMF's terms. The Method has worked so well, that, now, the rest of Latin America is in poverty also. They are reliant on the U.S.'s corporations to develope, and run their industries. The IMF, however, didn't realize what the blowback from this manipulation would be. That blowback has come in the form of a massive wave of immigration, illegal and legal as people flee from unstable and poor conditions.
Only by fixing what the IMF has done, can we really solve this crisis. If you want to read about how the U.S. has really manipulated the world to serve its own ends, you should read The Sorrows of Empire, by Chalmers Johnson. It is very extensive in its coverage of U.S. global activity, and, best of all, it's backed up by real, honest-to-God facts, unlike the delusional, vaguly fact-like material that PN keeps pulling out of his pi-gu.
I would advise you to pick it up soon. It has started to disappear from most bookshelves lately.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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USA's first official flag
www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html
Here's progress: US schools all over USA ban US flags...
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Schools Ban Patriotic Clothes, Flags
NBC
April 6 2006
SAN DIEGO -- In the wake of last week's immigration-reform protests, one school district is taking drastic measures, banning all symbols of patriotism, both U.S. and Mexican.
Beginning Monday, the Oceanside Unified School District is banning all flags and patriotic clothing.
Keith Brentlinger displays the U.S. flag outside Hatter, Williams and Purdy, his Oceanside business.
"To me, it's everything," said Brentlinger "I mean, like I said -- we truly live in the greatest country in the world."
Brentlinger said he was shocked on Tuesday when marching immigration-reform protesters tore down the flag outside his business.
"Some of them just grabbed the flag, and pulled it off its aluminum pole, and it got ripped," said Brentlinger.
Brentlinger told NBC 7/39 that he put up a new flag the next day.
"Some protesters drove up in their car and snagged the flag from our building and took off," said Brentlinger. "I was extremely, extremely upset. I mean, it was just ... insulting is the word."
VIDEO DOWNLOAD: US FLAGS DESTROYED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS, US SCHOOL BANS US FLAGS
www.nbcsandiego.com/news/8439483/detail.html
Flag waving banned at Colo. school
News 14
Charlotte, North Carolina
4/1/2006
LONGMONT, Colo. -- Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag — as well as flags from other countries — amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.
Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.
www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=116833
Marshall County School Officials Ban US Flags From Parades
Wave 3 TV
April 1, 2006
BENTON, Ky - Flags bearing stars and bars are a common sight during this western Kentucky town's Tater Day festivities.
But the Confederate flag -- and any other flag for that matter -- will no longer be welcome in the Marshall County High School parking lot when students drive to school and hold parades during the festivities.
Senior Raeanne McKendree, 18, said she supports the rule and thinks most other students at the school agree with it.
"You don't have freedom of speech at school," she said. "The school should be able to prevent it, just like they tell us not to wear certain T-shirts or say certain words."
In Arizona, a school superintendent banned students from wearing flags of any kind in any form after a group of Hispanic students at the school took down the American flag from a pole, raised the Mexican flag, then watched as white students took it down and burned it.
In Colorado, dozens of high school students protested a temporary ban on flags amid racial tensions following immigration rallies. One school official said the symbols were being used as "misguided patriotism."
www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=4712745
Funny how Gangsta Govt wants to crush "misguided" patriotism and free speech... Funny how some students in the mind-kontrol slave camps agree with that scam, especially those who are officers in "student govt". I was VP of my freshman class in college, elected in an actual election. When disabled by Gulf War Sabotaged Vaccine and Nuke Radiation Syndrome, I went back to college, but ELECTIONS WERE BANNED, replaced by "appointed student govt" who "applied" for an "interview". Appointed members of student "govt" then got 2 weeks of intense brainwashing at a "summer camp", before they were allowed to "represent" the students. I wonder if they were forced to worship Molech and perform "mock" human sacrifice, like the Bushes do at Bohemia
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We are all children of war....I harbor no sense of revenge, suffering is suffering everywhere. You are reading me incorrectly. I am stating the facts as I see them, sitting in a different seat then you are. I have not accused anyone of anything. And nowhere did I say that the US deserves a fate worse than death. Aren't you tired of being afraid? I am.
I don't agree that there is no special relationship between US and Latin America. Latin America has been the US's backyard. The US government has treated sovereign nations as colonies with the justification that what is done is done in the best interests of the US. A banana republic, a phrase that has floated in and out of my awareness, is a republic that exists to keep the colonial powers supplied with all those good things we can't imagine now doing without. I was doing some reading on FDR's "Good Neigbor" policy and found an address he gave on Pan-American day in 1933 and another speech he gave the same year: http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/fdrgnp.htm
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/fdrwwcomm.htm
Then, these photos of the Roosevelts with dictators and corrupt leaders of Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic and Cuba: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/good-neighbor.htm
Food for thought....
Today I thought, we all could take to the streets, banging pots, shouting "we're taking our country back" and along with that, show solidarity with all people who want to be free from suffering, free to work, and put food on the table and have a few little dreams come true. Daydream of a poet...I like it better than a wall. Below, a link on "si se puede"
http://www.labornet.org/viewpoints/meister/sisepuede.htm
Don't know how we're going to fix it...the past is the past, still one must understand how we got here. We ARE the Americas.
milagrobean
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Originally posted by piratejenny:Quote:
Start an Illegal Alien internment camp where if they are caught and owe the government money (fines, taxes, etc), they work to pay it off. Basically it would be similar to efforts going on in Arizona now. If they owe something like $10,000, then they would work at minimum wage until they paid it off. A little over 1,000 hours might teach them not to be here illegally. Yes, it would make them feel like prisoners, and that's the point actually. It is ILLEGAL, after all.
Please tell me my eyes are deceiving me, are you serious did you really say internment camp, You can't be serious??? that sounds like something a Nazi would say, you would really like to see people in an internment camp?
The answer is real simple..its so simple its almost ridiculous..penalize the businesses that hire them, fine them and take them to court, I see you constantly making excuses for businesses when its their fault this is happening. if some people go out of business OH well too bad!!, if there has to be some casualties in all of this I would rather see some businesses take the fall, in the long run we'll all be better off.
and raising the mininum wage would be an excellent idea, all they have to do is raise the price of goods and services which I also think is an excellent idea, Americans consume way to much anyway it wouldn't hurt us a bit to conserve and consume less.
First point: It's not a "fascist" or "Nazi" thing to find a way to enforce the current laws of this country. I'm hardly alone with this idea, and pretty much all the people who want illegals to pay their taxes and fines are hard-working paying citizens. If I didn't already know how much it costs to have prisons, I wouldn't have said internment camps. In all actuality, I'd rather they serve community service to pay back the taxes/fines owed, but alas, I said internment camps, then next step up. Why? Because illegal immigrants would more likely (and have a track record of) skipping probation.Second point... It is businesses which hire illegals that are part of the problem, to be sure. So, get rid of the illegals and bring in the legals, and then business can stay out of court more often. Some businesses are completely MADE of illegal aliens too - get rid of them with heavy fines, that I'll agree with. Goods and services are going to go up anyway, and they'll go up even more if thousands of businesses have to show up in court. I'd rather thousands of illegal aliens show up in court.
Third point... Raising the minimum wage is not a good idea unless you're talking about starting a sort of index system based directly off inflation. Mainly, raising the minimum wage will have little to no effect overall to the brunt of the work force... except for unions. Why? 'Cause unions make sure to have people's pay pro-rated for minimum wage. Non-union workers (the biggest slice of the work force) in general do not get pro-rating, and most of them also are already working for pay over minimum wage. Good luck finding a vast majority of CDC/nursing home workers and babysitters getting paid any more than what they normally get.
And dissing America for being capitalist... well what did you expect? Capitalism causes a consumerist society. Everyone wants freedom to consume.
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Stood up to the man and gave him what for.
Our love for him now ain't hard to explain.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I was calling the general perception that we (the US government) may do what we want with the rest of the world arrogant, not you specifically.
But referring to Milagro's post as drivel has me re-thinkin' that.
How about we take some of the fat, lazy welfare slurping trash from our society and export them to Mexico to make room for some hard working immigrents?
And yes, I know there are some fat, lazy immigrents waiting to get legal so they, too, can be welfare slurping.
I mean to say, let's not draw a line and say "Them, bad- we, good."
Not just some... quite a few. It is now estimated that somewhere between 25-30% of the illegal immigrants in this country - around 3-4 MILLION - are living off the arm. This is double that of the percentage of citizens who are on welfare - 14%. Who's the fat, lazy ones? Americans in general are the hardest working people in the entire world when compared with other nations. That is a fact.
And also, chew on this - you get rid of the illegal aliens, you open up jobs for the slobs. Approximately 8 million of them. It sounds worth it to me.
So yeah, I draw a line - it's called the U.S. border. And like I said just above, I'm not totally serious about internment camps, but how else is the U.S. gov't going to keep their $25 million a year from going to Mexico, Brazil, Russia, heck even New Zealand?
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"He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man and gave him what for.
Our love for him now ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Canton the man they call Jayne!
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Originally posted by Brewski:
I'm a little confused. Are we talking about Afghanistan, Iraq, or V is for Vendetta? I pick none of the above.
Off the top of my head how about General Pinochet. The American Government helped over throw the democratically elected, but unfriendly government, for the friendly but brutal unelected dictator.
There's more.
I'm sure there is, including the obvious ones... supporting both sides of the Iran-Iraq war of the early '80's and supporting a democratic government in Afghanistan in the '70's by supporting this political group call the Taliban.
It would be nice to have a crystal ball, but in all actuality it's probably that the U.S. supported what they thought was "the best of the worst." That's an excuse, really... there is no real excuse. I never said the U.S. government is innocent, which is why I'd more trust private investors... a little more. They at least don't have a giant military and have to negotiate.
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"He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor.
Stood up to the man and gave him what for.
Our love for him now ain't hard to explain.
The hero of Canton the man they call Jayne!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I was calling the general perception that we (the US government) may do what we want with the rest of the world arrogant, not you specifically.
Originally posted by Brewski:
Calling me arrogant, attacking my signature, then telling me to read some drivel I already read
But referring to Milagro's post as drivel has me re-thinkin' that.
How about we take some of the fat, lazy welfare slurping trash from our society and export them to Mexico to make room for some hard working immigrents?
And yes, I know there are some fat, lazy immigrents waiting to get legal so they, too, can be welfare slurping.
I mean to say, let's not draw a line and say "Them, bad- we, good."
And if you're serious about internment camps, well, then I won't take up any more of your time. Your copy of Mein Kamph is waiting.
(Okay, I got my jab in; I just hope you're NOT serious...)
Scapegoating folk is the first step towards being a good Nazi Chrisisall
Chrisisall you might want to take a look at Mexico's immigration policies, people who migrate to Mexico legal or illegal have virtually no right under the law, their immigration policy is very very strict, they won't allow even half the things or rights that we have here ..and yet you have their president Fox saying that Mexicans who come here should get citizen ship..if you want to talk about hypocrites you might want to start with the Mexican government
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Quote:Point taken.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
if you want to talk about hypocrites you might want to start with the Mexican government
All the more reason peeps would want to leave, though.
No answers Chrisisall
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Quote:Do you have stats or links to support your highly dubious 'fact'?
Originally posted by Brewski:
Americans in general are the hardest working people in the entire world when compared with other nations. That is a fact.
There's a lot of hard-workin' peeps in the world...Chrisisall
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