Illegal immigration
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 17:49
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Quote:Thanks for focusing on the human aspect, Righteous9.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
How easy could it be to leave your home and risk death to cross the border? They aren't doing it for kicks, and the ones I know...love America.
Chrisisall, recent Earth immigrant
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Originally posted by Hero:
Well, this is just speculation...but perhaps they figured that trying to arrest a half-million people all at one time and in the middle of America's largest cities could present a bit more of a problem then anyone could handle and could turn an otherwise mostly peaceful series of protests into full blown riots.
If you get forty illegals in one place, its easy to surround them, arrest them, detain them, process them, and deport them in an efficient manner. If its forty thousand...its a tad more difficult.
I understand why they didn't do it, riots & all that, but do you think Immigration or the federals did anything at all to track these illegals at the end of the march, question any, photograph them, get plate #s, anything? We all know they didn't. Bush is too interested in securing minority votes for the Republican party so he won't risk upsetting Latinos, illegal or otherwise.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I agree while I do sympathize I don't do it at my own exspense either and I to would never dream of coming to another country illegally, but on the other hand I don't come from a third world country like Mexico, the down side is the U.S is endanger of becoming like a third world country
Wow. You keep with this sensible talk and you'll have to change your name...'HeroJenny'.
H
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Originally posted by SignyM:
A half-million people waving the Mexican flag and chanting "Si se puede" is not going to win over any converts. It tells me that they have mixed loyalities at best.
Mixed loyalties? The majority give their loyalty to Mexico, not America.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
what happens when people don't have a job and can't get work? they have two choices, turn to crime or join the military,
Your coming along, but true conservatism requires imagination. I'll help you get started:
1. Turn to crime
2. Join the military.
3. Start a business.
4. Get an education.
5. Run for office.
6. Start a community service organization.
7. Become an activist.
8. Give up and die.
9. Live off the largess of others (including the government.
10. Keep trying, tomorrow will be better.
I'm sure you can come up with other ideas. Opportunity doesn't come to you...your supposed to find it. Look at me. College dropout with a dead-end secuirty job wasn't good enough, so I went back to school, then lawschool, now I get paid to put people in jail...I mean give valuable service to the community I love. I used option number '10'.
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
but do you think Immigration or the federals did anything at all to track these illegals at the end of the march, question any, photograph them, get plate #s, anything? We all know they didn't.
Some did, some did not. LA is getting a crapload of grief for issuing citations to persons photograghed at the demonstration. Also Latino radio and tv networks are under scuitiny for having orchestrated all this over the last month or so (although they did an excellent job).
H
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I would like to thank Milagrobean, Jonus and Righteous9 for their additions to this thread. I've been watching this thread for the past two days with a growing sense of concern. Now just because we all enjoy the same show does not mean that we have to think the same way, but the discussion was a bit onesided. Takeaway the hispanic and substatute Irish, Chinese, or Jewish and we've seen these argumnets before and they're rarely pretty.
For the record I live in LA. I'm african-american and one of them fancy lawyers (so I come at this thread from a position of admitted privilege, I'd give a vital body part to see more people of chicano/latin heritage at my job). I was heading into the office on Saturday and got caught in the waves of people crammed into the metro. Asking around I learned that they were going to march. Later on I ditched out and joined them. Now granted I couldn't understand what many people were saying (languages hard) but I did understand the sentiment.
For me the marches represent what democracy should look and sound like. A group of people (citizen or not) mobilizing peacefully for their rights. Regardless of how one may feel about immigration, 500,000 marchers at one time sends a powerful message. The people who marched are our neighbors, coworkers, friends and fellow Americans. They deserve respect.
Phaedra (a bad luck name)
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Originally posted by Phaedra:
For me the marches represent what democracy should look and sound like. A group of people (citizen or not) mobilizing peacefully for their rights. Regardless of how one may feel about immigration, 500,000 marchers at one time sends a powerful message. The people who marched are our neighbors, coworkers, friends and fellow Americans. They deserve respect.
Back in school the bigger kids, popular kids, the self-appointed privilaged kids tended to jump the lunch line. They made lots of noise, really stood out. Nobody heard from the smaller kids, the freshman, or the meek. They just stood in line and took it.
It was wrong then and its wrong now. I suppose if the millions waiting for legal immigration had worldwide protests, then they'd deserve your consideration. Until then, they do not exist.
I have always thought the laws should be there to protect the people waiting in line, not the ones jumping ahead.
If an illegal immigrant marches in a protest, they should be arrested and sent home. If they want a drivers license, sure come on down to the BMV and get arrested and sent home. If they show up at a public school or health clinic, arrest them, send them home. Logistics is the reason we don't do these things...but that don't make it right.
For the record, I think some form of guest worker program combined with strict enforcement (with harsh penalities for employers) and a temporary military presense on the Mexican border is the best solution. We can't move all the bad kids to the back of the line, but we oughta stop their buddies from joining them.
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Hero:"Back in school the bigger kids, popular kids, the self-appointed privilaged kids tended to jump the lunch line. They made lots of noise, really stood out. Nobody heard from the smaller kids, the freshman, or the meek. They just stood in line and took it."
That's just a ridiculous comparison. Protest marches for civil rights, womens' rights, workers' rights (like the one this week in France)are all about bullies yelling? Peaceful protests are not illegal. Illegal immigrants are not criminals---that piece of legislation wasn't passed this time around.
Phaedra, thanks for your post, the tone of the thread was a concern to me too. Good to hear from someone who was there and open to what was going on.
milagrobean
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I believe Hero's point is that there are people that follow the rules and wait for years to legally enter the country. People that spend a considerable amount of time, money and frustration to come here and are being told that following the rules makes them losers, that if you break the law you can go to the head of the line.
I'm Anglo, and was married to an American eight years before we chose to come here. I was garenteed a visa, so I didn't have to wait for a lottery allocation. Still it took 4 months and probably $1000 in assorted costs to be allowed to come here with the transitional stamp in my passport. It took another year of charges and queuing to get a physical green card.
Like I said I had it easy but there are some people that spend thousands and wait years because they follow the rules. They are not out on the streets in LA because they are still in their country of origin gathering all the paperwork, medical reports, criminal background checks and other things the illegals never bothered with.
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