Illegal immigration
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 17:49
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Browncoat1, I need to ask: Do you (or did you) belong to a union?
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In regards to corporations:
GE and Bank of America do not employ any illegal immigrants. The real problem is with small businesses trying to curtail the cost of well...cost. Sorry if this burst any "Leftist" conspiracy about corperations being all corperty.
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Oh, you must not be thinking of Walmart, or of all those subcontracted janitorial, clothes mfr, security, "stoop" labor, and assembly services that the big corporations use to wash their hands of the illgal problem ... while still taking advantage of the lower cost.
You would think that even something like a refinery would be a little pickier about their plant operations and keep experience staff. Nah....
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You won't see Bush & Co doing anything about illegal immigration other than whitewashing it into legality. Business stands to loose too much profit doing business the legal way. That's b/c it's not 'the government AND business' taking advantage; it's 'the government IS business' taking advantage.
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My post is about immigration, in general. Here's what I think.
Illegal Immigration:
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1) The size of the 500,000 person protest in L.A. itself demonstrates the problem. There are so many illegals, and they face so little threat of deportation, that they have political clout. They actually protest infront of Congress. This is frightening. Foreigners should not have political influence on our policies & laws.
2) Over the years I've noticed from my reading that illegals around the U.S. make $8-10/hr. In fact, this week or last, Business Week mag. had an article on illegals working at a carpet factory in Georgia, where they make $7/hr. The U.S. Census Bureau calculates the poverty level for a family of 4 to be about $19k/yr., which is just under $10/hr for a 40 hour week. This says, an American who wants to compete for these jobs has to put his family into poverty. For comparison, when I was in high school over 20 years I had a part time job making $7/hr. It is therefore not true there are no Americans who want these jobs - they just can't afford them.
Legal Immigration:
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1) U.S. population growth is driven by immigration, both legal & illegal. The U.S. will have a population of 400 million by 2050, and 1 billion by 2100, unless immigration is greatly reduced. Just look at China & India for reasons this is bad, not to mention the growing competition for oil made worse by a growing population. At the time of the first Earth Day in 1970, the U.S. had reached replacement fertility - 2.1 children/family. Since then, immigrants from poor countries have caused our fertility rate to grow.
2) Water supplies in the U.S. are depleting, due to growing demand, caused by a growing population. Battles between western cities like Las Vegas, L.A., and Phoenix are escalating. Farmers are having a harder time each year pumping water for irrigation. As a result, the U.S. will soon become a net food importing country, which puts us at risk of political pressure.
3) Legal immigrants to the U.S. working in technology under the H1-B visa program are pushing wages down - simple market supply & demand. The number has varied each year, but has averaged about 100,000/yr, and they get to stay for 6 years. Most get a green card and stay forever. This has the same effect as outsourcing, putting Americans out of work. Wage data from the Dept. of Labor shows wages have not risen for 20 years, suggesting industry claims of a shortage of engineers is not true.
'just my thoughts.
MoW
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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
I live in Charlotte N.C., and here are a few issues I have with illegal immigration here.
1- Free healthcare
2- Free school
3- License without proof of citizenship
4- Can not be prosecuted for any crime unless it is "violent"
5- 2 INS agents for both NC and SC.
6- If arrested, they are let go and asked to please go to Atlanta for their INS hearing (no one goes)
7- 5 out of the 10 drunk driving murders this year, so far, have been by illegal immigrants.
We have a lot of the same problems here.
- free healthcare
- goverment assistance for living expenses
- free schooling w/ the added bonus that the school has to spring for spanish speaking teachers for every course & our children have been forced to take a mandatory Spanish class
I have not heard about them being free from prosecution on minor offenses, but I will check into Commonwealth laws to see what they say about it.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I sympathize with the immigrants I understand that they want a better life, but on the other hand why should it be at our expense. The facts are the corporations don't want them here llegally, because then they would have to pay a higher wage, taxes, healthcare etc. illegal workers benifit the Corporations and businesses, while driving wages down for U.S workers and its putting a squeeze on the middle class, I'm also tired of the argument that, Americans don't want to do the jobs that illegal immigrants to, if they paid a fair wage Americans would do just about any job for the right price.
That is the rub.
I can sympathize & appreciate wanting a better life & standard of living for your family, but not at the expense of others. I would never dream of moving into another country illegally and then taking advantage of the system at the taxpayers expense.
Big business being in bed w/ big government only makes matters worse.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Browncoat1, I need to ask: Do you (or did you) belong to a union?
Nope. Why do you ask?
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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
In regards to corporations:
GE and Bank of America do not employ any illegal immigrants. The real problem is with small businesses trying to curtail the cost of well...cost. Sorry if this burst any "Leftist" conspiracy about corperations being all corperty.
As Signym pointed out, Wal Mart is the worst about the employing of illegal immigrants. Of course being the weasels they are they are many layers removed from the actual "hiring" of these illegals & whent they are busted they claim ignorance & are not held accountable. There is also the fact that the money they dump into states & the large party they funded for the Bush victory in the last election makes them untouchable by the law for any immigration infractions.
Perhaps you have not heard about the Wal Mart store under construction in Vermont that got shut down because 90% + of the workers on the job site were illegals. Wal Mart claims ignorance so they escape all charges & fines, leaving the construction companies to burn alone.
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Originally posted by manofwar:
My post is about immigration, in general. Here's what I think.
Illegal Immigration:
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1) The size of the 500,000 person protest in L.A. itself demonstrates the problem. There are so many illegals, and they face so little threat of deportation, that they have political clout. They actually protest infront of Congress. This is frightening. Foreigners should not have political influence on our policies & laws.
What I don't understand is why Immigration didn't descend on this event w/ every agent they had, SWAT, the National Guard, and every police officer they could muster. This was their chance to catch all these illegals that the Federal gov't claims are too "slippery" to catch. Guess hiding in plain sight makes them too slippery.
Oh, wait. That's right. The federals don't care.
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Originally posted by manofwar:
2) Over the years I've noticed from my reading that illegals around the U.S. make $8-10/hr. In fact, this week or last, Business Week mag. had an article on illegals working at a carpet factory in Georgia, where they make $7/hr. The U.S. Census Bureau calculates the poverty level for a family of 4 to be about $19k/yr., which is just under $10/hr for a 40 hour week. This says, an American who wants to compete for these jobs has to put his family into poverty. For comparison, when I was in high school over 20 years I had a part time job making $7/hr. It is therefore not true there are no Americans who want these jobs - they just can't afford them.
Exactly the point!
I am so tired of the arguement that the jobs illegals take are the "ones Americans don't want". What a load of manure! It is not that we don't want them, it is that they don't pay enough to support our families. I can remember when $20k/year was a lot of money, but these days in Virginia it is below poverty level for a family of four. The county I live in requires a yearly income of nearly $50k/year due to the cost of living in this area. How can Americans do that off of less than $10/hr? A couple would have to work the equivalent of 3 full time jobs to break even.
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