It's time.

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PIRATEJENNY

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:45 AM

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Jonus is a mole. His incendiary posts serve to bait out the fish, like Pirate Jenny, no offense, but you bit the hook, to action to see who here was a potential terrorist. Normally I don't care, I mean, seriously, we chat daily on an open forum about the real world application of the ideas of a TV show and Movie which essentially advocate treason (against the alliance, which they most certainly do.)

lol! personally I didn't take this thread that seriously and still don't, but I think its a FUN thread, you see I totally like the direction that this thread went in, I never did believe the poster was serious, still don't!! I think he's having fun, anyway I hope he keeps it up!!

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 AM

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Originally posted by WhoMe:
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Do you really believe there is a WAR ON TERROR?? I mean do you really believe that, have you seen the administration go after any terroist..tell me who does homeland security effect, does it effect U.S citizens or does it effect terrorist.?

PirateJenny, you don't really understand sarcasm, do you?

I guess not

, I do believe this is the 2nd time I didn't get the jest of your post, hopefully I won't make that assumption again

PJ

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by piratejenny:

Jonus, thats because most of these people aren't true browncoats, they would be working for the Alliance, they like to fancy themselves as browncoats but its just not so IMO.

I disagree. There are always the crazy radicals out there (Sam Adams and his rock throwing, rabble-rousing, tea partiers and Son of Liberty).

Real revolutions, the ones that last, they come when the conservatives decide to make it happen (John Adams, George Washington, along with some farmers, shopkeepers, and the guys who make shoes). They are the Browncoats. So Jonus and the assorted Pirates can fluster and preen all they want about 'making things happen'. Its when all the Heroes stand up that the world best take notice. And I'm one Hero that more then satisfied to support the President and laugh at the opposition.

H

you would so be working for the Alliance, you would be in lock step, a true purplebelly!!

yeah Zero keep telling yourself that because you sure as hell isn't going to hear that from anybody else. your the kind of zero that would try to stop a little old lady from excersising her right to vote, that doesn't sound like a hero, sounds like a coward. and who in the hell would call themselves HERO anyway!!lmao..lol hahahahahahah ahahahalolaaaaahhh

thanks for the laugh zero, but you make it to easy
the only way a person like you can feel powerful is if you align yourself with the likes of this crimnal administration..its really and truly sad and patheic... Ouch!!

you know suddenly its not so funny anymore.

but on the other hand all this talk of Browncoats and purplebellys makes me want to put on a few eppies of Firefly.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 24, 2006 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
and who in the hell would call themselves HERO anyway!!

Someone who tows the party line, supports prisoner torture, wants war to secure oil, cares nothing for the truth, but likes Firefly, and feels the need to upgrade himself slightly from the slime he works with and create the delusion that he's even just a little like Mal, so he can enjoy the show a little more.

Deep down, he knows he worships at the Operative's altar, and there's the conflict.

Did I answer your question, PJ? Chrisisall

HERO

Friday, March 24, 2006 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
and who in the hell would call themselves HERO anyway

The name origin and meaning of Hero
Name: Hero
Gender: (Male and Female)
Origin: Greek
Meaning: Brave Defender

Its not an uncommon name. Shakespear even had a "Hero" in one of his plays...

What you really mean to ask is why did I choose the name?

Perhaps it was a tribute to the legendary 'Hero of Canton'. Perhaps it was because I won a Bronze Star in the First Gulf War. Perhaps because I once pulled a child from in front of a speeding car (drunk driver). Perhaps because I adopted a rescued puppy. Perhaps a love a good sandwhich. Perhaps, perhaps perhaps, and perhaps you and others have a few perhaps of your own. The reason is personal and will remain so.

Lets look at your name. Piratejenny. Well Jenny is a pretty common and innocent name. A pirate, while fun and colorful in some respects (aargh!) is in truth little more then a common thief and little less then a terrorist. Put them both together and you've chosen to name yourself in honor of those who have none and seek none.

I'd take a 'Hero' over a 'Pirate' anyday...in fact I did.

My contention was an intellectual argument about the nature of revolution. My proposition was that radicals might try and lead the way, but its the conservatives that move society in a particular direction. You response was to make fun of my name. Well done. Perhaps we can engage in an enlightened discourse on your love of balloon animals and birthday cake (both fine topics and enjoyable in their particular context), that might be more your speed.

H (for Hero

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CHRISISALL

Friday, March 24, 2006 3:24 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

I once pulled a child from in front of a speeding car (drunk driver).
I adopted a rescued puppy.

You support a corrupt administration.
Corrupt. Indefensable. They do illegal things. And it's okay with you.
If I said I supported Saddam, that would mean I supported his administrations actions, right? Killin' lots of innocent folk, right?
While Bush is NOWHERE near as bad as Saddam was, he's still far from the pure, innocent, benevolent soul you and your type try to make like he is.

So in supporting Bush, you support WAR FOR OIL, prisoner abuse, LYING to the American people...I could go on, but you'll just put the spin on it that makes you most comfortable, 'cause that's what it's all about, YOU being comfortable, and reality beyond you own immediate experience does not easily lend itself to that, thus your need to bend it...

Coward.

Not a Hero, just Chrisisall

BROWNCOATCRUSADER

Friday, March 24, 2006 3:58 PM

Everyone Hear ME! THE NSA is monitoring this thread intently. I can't tell you how I know. Buddy, you seriously have to chill. Mal had a space ship to run to. You'll have a dumpster in Nigeria to hide in. Besides, If your in love with all these Sci-FI shows, 60% chance that the recoil of a gun would blow YOU 80 feet back.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 24, 2006 5:14 PM

WHOME spouted..

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Nope. The very first federal libel law was passed in 1798, eleven years after the Bill of Rights was created, which shows that the founding fathers NEVER really intended "free speech" to encompass all manner of speech. (The text of that act is listed here: http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/sedact.shtml)

Similar laws have followed, including, most recently, the Patriot Act.

Your refusal to "educate" me is really cute, considering that I seem to know a lot more about this topic than you do.

Issat so ?

You do realise that what you are quoting as our first 'libel' law was an attempt to utterly destroy free speech in this country, don't you ?

The Alien and Sedition acts you refer to, were considered by most to be an absolute affront to everything this country ever stood for, and were without a doubt an attempt to destroy the very freedoms that the constitution protects.

Journalists unfriendly to the establishment were arrested and tried, in a haunting parallel to the Zenger case not so long before that.

And it was done again, by Federalist/Republican government under lincoln, and again, under this administration - historically the Federalist/Republican party has despised the bill of rights and free speech as a whole, history proves that beyond any reasonable doubt.

But our founding fathers damned well intended that said speech should be free, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison came out very strongly against the Alien and Sedition acts, and came one step short of calling for the state of Virginia to secede from the union.

And you'll note that said act was more or less yanked in 1800, and in fact it was never determined whether it was even constitutional, never having been submitted to the supreme court for that test, which it would have failed utterly, at the time.

It was this brawl, and others that followed that fragmented the original parties, and is referenced as an example of how much this country values free speech and how important it is.

From Adams, to Lincoln, to Wilson, Hoover, McCarthy and HUAC - every time one of these issues comes up, be it states rights, communism, unamericanism, and now 'terrorism' - look at this history ?

Each and every time it's been exposed as naught more than a political power grab that's harmed our country, harmed our citizens, and caused untold suffering, and for what ?

More people die in bathtubs every year than from 'terrorism' - should you quit bathing and ask for the eradication of bathtubs then ?

Freedom has it's risks, and in the case of free speech, to support it is to take the risk of someone offending you - that's fine, I can deal with being offended, given I drive a cab in detroit, there's a whole plenty of offensive things bein said in both directions on most days.

You really think it's worth it to me to file libel against some jerk who just called me a dumb blind jackass ?

By your call that's liable, right ?
Because at least two of those statements are untrue.

Such laws do not exist to protect anything except maybe the egos of the wealthy and powerful, and in fact and practice are used to suppress and demolish free speech as a whole.

Your attempt to 'educate' by expressing what are more or less spoon-fed distortions of historical and legal fact has fallen fairly flat, and in all honesty, if you've that much interest in the topic, please, PLEASE read the Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist Papers, and the relevant history (and from several sources so one can seperate facts from bias, please) concerning these things.

It's all well and good to say our founding fathers meant this or that, but when you have read, in their own words, a direct explaination of EXACTLY what they meant, then you can say you know.

Federalist Papers
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/
Anti-Federalist Papers
http://www.constitution.org/afp/afp.htm

My personal fav would be Anti-Fed Patrick Henry, cause if you go back and read a lot of the stuff he said - he was indeed right and kne

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

My contention was an intellectual argument about the nature of revolution.

Without the ability to admit error, even on a broad spectrum of notions, you cannot have an intellectual argument, you can rant and avoid facts, but not debate.

My best friend eats cows (I'm a veggiesaurus), and when pushed as to how he can do this, he replys "Listen, I don't care about the cow's feelings or what pain they went through, I WANT a hamburger sometimes."
Truth. "I don't care.."
I disagree with him, but he isn't bull

ng me. Or himself.

Just say that you don't care what laws Bush breaks. Just say that you don't care particularly why wars are fought.
Just say that you don't care if people are tortured or not.

I'm hammering here 'cause I'm curious as to whether people can be awakened to the fact that human misery means nothing to them as a consequence of not wanting to think clearly about these things. Is reality too much to be intellectually and emotionally accountable for?

Either you're a hard-core misanthrope, or you need to excuse those whom you support out of purely emotional reasons, which is it, Hero?

Chrisisall, inconsistancy huntin'

Edit: P.S. If you're takin' time to give me the proper reply to take the wind out of my arguments, remember; you put drunks in jail. They're not a particularly hard crowd to outwit in court.
I.e., you're not as smart as you think you are, just go ahead and post it, and don't bother over-thinking it...

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

My personal fav would be Anti-Fed Patrick Henry, cause if you go back and read a lot of the stuff he said - he was indeed right and knew a lot more about human nature than some of the more idealistic of our founders.

Where were you when my High School History teacher was falling asleep behind his newspaper in class?
You should be teaching this stuff.

Deprived Chrisisall

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