I don't Care What You Believe...Just Believe.

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RIGHTEOUS9

Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:11 PM

Yeah, even as I posted I remembered that part of the comic. I don't think it invalidates what I'm saying though.

Book is the type of man who accepts a prostitute into his heart without feeling the need to convert her or cleanse her of sin. More than that, he confides in her his fears and doubts, and even looks to her for some guidance(1st episode).

I think, when he says that he brings "the message to those who need hearing it," that he really means to those who have nothing to hold onto, who have nothing to believe in. He's not overly concerned with people who have meaning already.

GRIZWALD

Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:09 PM

I don't think that quote stands all by itself in the BDM. I may be alone here. But I think it was all part of the same thought. Book had just said the name "River" -- and then he said that about believing.

I think he meant, "I don't care what else you believe, just so long as you believe what River tells you."

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go back the next morning and see it again.
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LADYKNIGHT

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:08 PM

It's also possable that he said that spifically to Mal because, with Mal so unbeleaving, if he dosen't ever beleave in ANYTHING then nothing can return him to faith in God. He opens his heart to faith, then, strange as it sounds, God gets a foothold in his heart again. It may be small...but it's a start, and a wise preacher like Book would know that some plant the seeds, some tend the seeds, and often the origional planter dosen't live to see the harvest.

At least, that's how I've always justified that line.

RAT

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:14 PM

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RAT

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:
I think, when he says that he brings "the message to those who need hearing it," that he really means to those who have nothing to hold onto, who have nothing to believe in. He's not overly concerned with people who have meaning already.

If you're right, then book is not a true Christian, which I won't argue, because it may very well be the case.

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SERENITYSEEKER

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:33 PM

Howdy fellow Browncoats, thought I'd jump in and add my two cents. I must say I admire Book for his representation as a Christian figure in the 'Verse. In modern society, it's easy to stereotype Christians as very self-righteous and pushy of their religious beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have encountered people with these tendencies and it's made me upset. My sister and I, for example, differ in our own religious expression. She's very gung-ho about getting the Gospel message out and being very upfront about her beliefs. Me, I'm one who reflects as much of what I gather Book's theology is. You can't MAKE someone come to God anymore than you can make a person become your friend. As Christians, I believe we are supposed to be nonjudgemental of others and loving towards all. Yes, I am not afraid to sit down and discuss my faith (note, not religious beliefs) with a person, but I am always willing to so in a tone of understanding. Book seemed to reflect this attitude that even though some of these individuals had no need for his faith, he still presented an attitude of compassion towards all of the crew. We, Christians, should live a life that is admirable and for those who may have struggles finding something to believe in, we should then present a shoulder to lean on and a word of advice. Anyways, that's just how I think. If anyone would care to discuss this further, I'd be more than happy to oblige.

Oh yeah, does anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of those Serenity/Firefly comics? It'd be pretty shiny to find a few.

Keep flyin'.

LAMPYRID

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:40 PM

I agree with Grizwald that the quote is being taken out of context.

The full quote is:

"River..."
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."
"Whatever She...".

In the Visual Companion the full quote is:

"You... it's on you now.. all this death, this shit... you have to find a course. This can't mean nothing."
"River... you have to..."
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."
"Whatever you have to..."

I see Book as saying:

"I don't care what you think of God, you better have faith in your beliefs because they are the only thing that will walk you through this."

Once River shows them Miranda, there's no going back; they know the secret. The Alliance must now hunt down and kill them all.

To paraphrase Jayne:

There is no "smart" way out of this. (They no longer can turn River in, hide or flee.) They can only stand by their beliefs and "do something right".

AX

Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:32 PM

What is a 'true Christian', out of curiousity? Did you find the definition in a dictionary or something?

I ask only because last I checked there are about a billion different sects all of which claim to be 'true Christians', and I was unaware that the debate had been finally put to rest. But since it has, I'd be happy to hear exactly where you found it, and how it happened.

RIGHTEOUS9

Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:46 PM

I don't think that that context colors it much differently...

and I don't think the important part is that he's saying "I don't care what you believe, just believe what river tells you."

Think about Mal here. How much coaxing would it take for him to believe that the alliance was screwing with people's heads, or even gasing people. I don't think much...he hates them already and I'm sure he saw all kinds of attrocities perpetrated by them during the war, in the name of something better.

It's not for the trip to Miranda that Mal needs to here these words, its for doing something meaningful once he finds the evidence of the deeds...that's where belief, or purpose I guess, becomes a factor...that's when things stop being about just getting by day to day.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rat:
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."

A Christian would never say that...worst line in the movie, not that it had much competition!!

Damn the Christians! I believe in the Lords Of Kobol!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChrisisallYAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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