I don't Care What You Believe...Just Believe.
POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Monday, July 31, 2006 23:15
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Okay...If God is love, then why is there a "too late?" That would be his own creation wouldn't it, and not a very compassionate one.
If God is love, then wouldn't two people of the same sex actually be experiencing God when they embraced their love for each other? Or are you going to sit in judgement over what love is as well? I.E. love is intolerance("not to tolerate," as you put it) in the name of the lord?
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Thanks RIVER6213 and Righteous9 and others for "fighting the good fight" for tolerance.
I've read this thread with much interest and thought for the last few hours of different things I'd like to say in response. But I'll just boil it down to this:
People are people. I will never be able to understand the "differences" such as "race". We all have legs and eyes and brains and hearts.
Why do some ppl look at Mormons and say "they're not Christian" and Mormons look at other Christians and say "they're not Christian" (etc etc, there are over 700 types of Christianity!) Why is it so hard to just relax and be tolerant? Why do people have such a hard time with that? Especially from religions that say "G-d loves all his children"...
It makes me sad. As a Jew, I have several times been the target of "Christians" who wanted to convert me "before it was too late" or simply bigots who hated me for no purpose but to humiliate me.
The world is such a beautiful place, full of so much variety and exciting variation. Would it really be more interesting if everyone was of the same faith and believed the same thing? (for one thing, we wouldn't have this thread! bye bye intellectual discussion?) If that was what G-d had intended, wouldn't G-d have just done so?
We are humans. By definition we are imperfect beings and do not understand the universe.
Therefore, relax. Let's think about tolerance.
[Except for tolerance of Fox cutting Firefly. Obviously that's gotta go. We should convert everyone to Firefly :) Just thinking of the funny parallels....]
here's to repairing the world,
Amy
(yeah, bracing myself for more hate. shruggin shoulders)
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Originally posted by Rat:
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."
A Christian would never say that...worst line in the movie, not that it had much competition!!
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Won't say much about it being the worst line in the movie, but I think it's right in line w/ Book's character. Book knows Mal, and knows of Mal's view on God. It's likely that Book also suspects, if he doesn't flat out know, that Mal USE to believe in God. Book is a preacher, whether newly ordained or not, I'm guessing he's seen what the power of belief can do for a man. Book also knows what the lack of belief can do to a man.
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Book is giving Mal a important piece of advice on how to live life, before he loses his own. It makes perfect sense that Book would try to save one more soul as his last act in the 'verse.
Book speaks to Mal in a way which he can understand, and I think we see the fruits of that exchange later on.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by amylisai:
Thanks RIVER6213 and Righteous9 and others for "fighting the good fight" for tolerance.
I've read this thread with much interest and thought for the last few hours of different things I'd like to say in response. But I'll just boil it down to this:
People are people. I will never be able to understand the "differences" such as "race". We all have legs and eyes and brains and hearts.
Why do some ppl look at Mormons and say "they're not Christian" and Mormons look at other Christians and say "they're not Christian" (etc etc, there are over 700 types of Christianity!) Why is it so hard to just relax and be tolerant? Why do people have such a hard time with that? Especially from religions that say "G-d loves all his children"...
It makes me sad. As a Jew, I have several times been the target of "Christians" who wanted to convert me "before it was too late" or simply bigots who hated me for no purpose but to humiliate me.
The world is such a beautiful place, full of so much variety and exciting variation. Would it really be more interesting if everyone was of the same faith and believed the same thing? (for one thing, we wouldn't have this thread! bye bye intellectual discussion?) If that was what G-d had intended, wouldn't G-d have just done so?
We are humans. By definition we are imperfect beings and do not understand the universe.
Therefore, relax. Let's think about tolerance.
[Except for tolerance of Fox cutting Firefly. Obviously that's gotta go. We should convert everyone to Firefly :) Just thinking of the funny parallels....]
here's to repairing the world,
Amy
(yeah, bracing myself for more hate. shruggin shoulders)
I never said I "hated" Christians, you put that there. I just never had a good experience with dealing with them. That was the whole point of my rant. If I could pull just one positive experience out of my mind that I have had with a Christian, then I wouldn’t rant so much, but I haven’t, so rant I shall.
We are all humans and humans make mistakes, so no one is asking for perfection out of anyone, but the Christians, at least the one's who claim that they are following Christ are on the whole, are up to no good. I have never experienced as much pettiness, bigotry, and power-tripping than I have with Christian groups. This has been my experience, therefore it counts for something.
The idea I had when I started this thread was about finding something to believe in...That something wasn’t about finding god, or it could be if viewed from another way. I meant trying to find something to hold on too to keep oneself sane. A job, a car, a hobby, friends, food, drugs, money, sex, anything that would make a person have something to look forward to. Anything that would make a person wants to get up out of bed in the morning and face themselves, and the world. That was my whole point, but, as expected with topics such as this, here comes the Christians trying to muscle in on it and turn it into a submit-or-be-destroyed-scenario.
Times like this I really wish Christians were still being fed to the lions
River
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Originally posted by UnregisteredCompanion:
Still waiting for Ax's question to get answered...
Okay.
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Originally posted by Ax:
What is a 'true Christian', out of curiousity? Did you find the definition in a dictionary or something?
Let's do that shall we?
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Originally posted by www.dictionary.com :
true
adj. tru·er, tru·est
1.
a. Consistent with fact or reality; not false or erroneous. See Synonyms at real1. See Usage Note at fact.
b. Truthful.
2. Real; genuine. See Synonyms at authentic.
3. Reliable; accurate: a true prophecy.
4. Faithful, as to a friend, vow, or cause; loyal. See Synonyms at faithful.
5. Sincerely felt or expressed; unfeigned: true grief.
6. Fundamental; essential: his true motive.
7. Rightful; legitimate: the true heir.
8. Exactly conforming to a rule, standard, or pattern: trying to sing true B.
9. Accurately shaped or fitted: a true wheel.
10. Accurately placed, delivered, or thrown.
11. Quick and exact in sensing and responding.
12. Determined with reference to the earth's axis, not the magnetic poles: true north.
13. Conforming to the definitive criteria of a natural group; typical: The horseshoe crab is not a true crab.
14. Narrowly particularized; highly specific: spoke of probity in the truest sense of the word.
You get the idea!
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Originally posted by www.dictionary.com :
Christian, Charlie. 1916-1942.
American jazz guitarist and blues singer. One of the first to amplify the guitar, he influenced its emergence as a solo instrument in jazz.
Well that didn't help.
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Originally posted by www.dictionary.com :
Chris·tian
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
I hope that clears things up for you!
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The sermon continued for a while and during the break, the black man was quietly asked to leave!
What Church was this?
Name?
Address?
Email?
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Originally posted by amylisai:
Thanks RIVER6213 and Righteous9 and others for "fighting the good fight" for tolerance.
How is "I say put ‘em up against the wall.", ""fighting the good fight" for tolerance"?
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I never said I "hated" Christians, you put that there...
...Times like this I really wish Christians were still being fed to the lions.
Will you make up your mind?
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Quote:Well, then, you've never met my father, or the many thousands of people like him. And that's a shame, because there are countless Christians who really do try to lead lives that are the very opposite of the picture you paint in the rest of your post.
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I have never met a Christian who reflected God's love...not ever. I have never met a Christian who was selfless, or loving...
I'm no longer a believer in a supernatural god. But neither do I have the same picture of Christians that you do, River. I have to say that your description strikes me as a very shallow caricature, not unlike the way the Jews have been portrayed by anti-Semites down the centuries.
I hope that sometime in your life you find out that there are a lot of good people out there and that they are present among the followers of many different faiths, or none. From your posts here and in other threads it seems to me you've missed that up till now. That makes me sad for you -- nobody should have to go through life with such a dark picture of her fellow man. Especially not a fellow Browncoat.
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I don't disagree on any particular point.
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