Why do women love Jayne?

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VENA

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:42 PM

Advice from my mother many years ago: Women love outlaws!!

Besides that-
First of all, he just LOOKS damn sexy. All those big hard muscles.
Women are suckers for the big bad man with a soft heart for hats knitted by his mom.
The idea of having a man brush our hair—that is, if we are really into our own hair—is such it turn on.
He likes women. There is no confusion; there is no wondering what he wants and what is going to happen. That straight forward attitude is not something that happens in the real world. So, we project that desire into our fantasies.
And the age thing…come on folks where is your suspension of disbelief? ;) Kaylee and Jayne? Yeah, I love that pair.

Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy?
Capitalism.
I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.

ITSAWASH

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:33 PM

Hi ArtemisPrime, thanks for chiming in.

You're quite welcome for the chance to get that off your chest, but by how well and truly you talk about him I have a feeling you (and I) are far from being done with the Jayne-admiring. :0)

J and Belasera were my primary inspirations for writing my own Jaylee fics and I doubt I'll ever be done with wanting to write about the pair. I do like Kaylee, but to be honest, she's mostly a canvas for Jayne to paint on, to me.

Pic courtesy of KellyofLuthien

ITSAWASH

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:41 PM

*The original poster of this thread finally chimes in: "BLUE, baby. Steely blue, gunmetal blue, deepest part of the ocean blue, gorram ruttin' frellin' (God, I want to DIE in them) BLUE.

Sigh. Thank you for letting me get that out and on the screen. I'll be in HIS bunk now, the rest of you can clear the frell out."

*Hugs to you all.

Pic courtesy of KellyofLuthien

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
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Originally posted by ItsaWash:
And if you happen to think he's a good love-match for Kaylee
He's 20 years older than her, so no.

Since when did age have anything to do with it?

So far, what I'm reading is that Jayne is the kind of fella we'd love to love, but probably wouldn't fall in love with. He's not the "to death do us part" kind, mainly because Jayne doesn't believe he'll ever die.

In the meantime... mmmmmmmmmmm...

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IAMJACKSUSERNAME

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by Channain:
He's not the "to death do us part" kind, mainly because Jayne doesn't believe he'll ever die.

In The message Jayne says "My kinda life don't last long, preacher." and "You gonna read over me when I get taken down, shepherd?", but Book thinks Jayne'll outlive them all.

As for young girls liking bad boys - he's got the credentials, what with selling out River to her torturers and the like.
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ARTEMISPRIME

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:29 PM

Hi Itsawash.

Anytime you want to discuss the big merc is fine with me. I could go on and on. There is so much that is fascinating about him and about all of the FF cast.

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:30 PM

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Originally posted by IamJacksUsername:
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Originally posted by Channain:
He's not the "to death do us part" kind, mainly because Jayne doesn't believe he'll ever die.

In The message Jayne says "My kinda life don't last long, preacher." and "You gonna read over me when I get taken down, shepherd?", but Book thinks Jayne'll outlive them all.

Good point. I was thinking of the BDM, when Zoe asks him "You think any of us is going to survive this?" and Jayne looks around and says, "Well I might."

Jayne would outlive them all because the only person he's really looking out for is himself, and that's the kind of attitude someone has to have to survive in the black.

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HISGOODGIRL

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:51 PM

The character of Jayne Cobb intrigues me for several reasons. In this post, I want to write about the character as separate and apart from Adam Baldwin, the actor who portrays him so beautifully and who contributed so much to making him come alive as a man. Adam himself is unquestionably handsome and sexy. But, to me, as Jayne Cobb, he’s even more so.

I find Jayne to be so much more than the dumb, crude, self-serving Big Bad Man he’s often presented as. He’s a man of contradictions, a man struggling with his past and his nature. This makes him intriguing to me as a writer and as a woman. Joss has remarked that ultimately, a big theme in this work, for him, is Redemption, and I see that force at work in Jayne.

We’re not told much about Jayne’s background in the actual series, about what events and experiences shaped him or led him into a life as a petty criminal and merc. This lack of background has encouraged writers like Jacqui, ItsaWash, and myself to fill in the blanks with our own speculations.

In Jayne Cobb, I see a man of intensity, powerful and rakishly handsome, skilled at his chosen trade, extremely sensual. He’s a man who embraces life with gusto: food, women, a good fight. He just throws himself fully into the moment, larger than life.

I see Jayne as being poorly educated rather than as just stupid, often too headlong to consider the subtle implications of his statements and choices. He’s a man who hasn’t had the benefit of Inara’s sophisticated training or Simon’s rarified social status, just a blue-collar working stiff who has survived in a difficult ‘Verse in the best way he could.

I see a man who would almost certainly be diagnosed with Adult Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder – high energy, poor impulse control, kinesthetic (think about how touchy-feely he is with everything), a history of conflict with authority and substance abuse.

It seems likely the self-centeredness we see from him derives from his drive to survive under very marginal circumstances. Beginning with his concern for Kaylee when she’s shot by the Fed, with a major turning point occurring in the episode “Ariel”, he turns his focus outward. A good example is when he joins in on the raid on Niska’s skyplex, after repeatedly stating that the action is suicidal.

I give Book some credit for these changes, acting as a non-judgmental father figure for a man who obviously lacked one. Interestingly, as the supposed “Bad Man”, Jayne shows more respect to religious practices like blessings and rites for the dead, while Mal, the “Good Man”, despises such things.

OK, I write Jaylee fic, so I obviously consider the pairing of Jayne and Kaylee plausible and reasonable. I’m also probably older than a lot of fellow Browncoats who post here and I think that gives me a different perspective on all this. Not the right one, just a different one. Everybody has their own take and their own biases, and lots of this is just our projections and personal fantasies.

While Kaylee is young, she’s also shown herself to be a very sensual, passionate young woman, and I simply cannot see Simon as being earthy and lusty enough to meet her needs. With his classist, privileged upbringing, I don’t see him ever managing to get over feeling she’s beneath him, a bumpkin. In such a relationship, she would always feel second-rate.

Jayne’s interest in Kaylee is clearly expressed in his protectiveness and jealousy. Because he is ashamed of his shaky past, Jayne would tend to treat Kaylee as all the more precious. I also agree with other posters who’ve remarked on his genuine appreciation for women, sexually and otherwise. And those who think an age difference of fifteen or twenty years negate the possibility of a mutual attraction between Kaylee and Jayne need to live in the real world a little more.

For my take on the man and his relationships, check out my stories “Waited Long Enough”, “Quickies”, and “Too Little, Too Late.” Be forewarned, they’re for adult readers.

FERT1

Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by ayrad:
Adam's eyes are definitely BLUE.
There's no doubt about it.
Believe me. I'm sure you're not color blind, it's just that maybe the light did a weird trick to you at that time. I would have blushed head to toe meeting that man, I'm sure that looking him straight in the eyes would have been difficult without turning rainbow colors...
Any picture would confirm you that he's got blue eyes. Saw most of his movies, I have a thing for blue eyed men, so, well I'm 100% sure you maybe saw him under a weird light...

Now that I'll concede. Under the lighting in the dealer's room, they did not appear to be blue. I have a thing for blue eyed men, but will make exceptions.

In the photos, they look an odd sort of gray-blue that might appear different in different lighting conditions. I have a good friend who's eyes appear blue most of the time, but she insists they are green, and under the right lighting they do look green. My dad always insisted his eyes were gray, though many would have said they were blue. Even color perception can be a bit subjective. I've heard people argue over whether a certain shade of aqua was more blue or more green. We all see the world in our own way with our own interpretations.

CANTONHEROINE, don't pull your hair out! It's not worth it. We both agree that his eyes are absolutely gorgeous, as is the rest of him. And yes, it was difficult to look him in the eye without turning many shades of red, although some might say pink...LOL!

He was in tonight's episode of "Bones". How cool is that?

Jayne's appeal to women? I can sum it up: AB is gorgeous. Jayne is funny, and women love it when a guy makes them laugh! He's a bit of bad boy, and women love bad boys, especially the fixer-uppers. Women love a man they can try to fix! No, it's not necessary the smart thing, but it's how we think...Lord help us!

ARTEMISPRIME

Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:01 AM

Well said, Hisgoodgirl. Everything you said is right on.

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