Jayne's Home Planet

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HUMBUG

Monday, March 6, 2006 12:20 AM

It's on page 45 - a couple of pages into a chapter called lilac.

I'm sorry. I got it wrong. They FOUND Jayne on a planet called Caliban. But it doesn't say where he's from.......

I guess Jayne's past is something Joss was going to reveal slowly, over time, through the series.

Curse you, Fox! You've denied us many hours of pleasure finding all these things out about our beloved characters.......

Joss, don't give up on the Serenity 'verse. We want to find out about Jayne's background & past, as well as Book's, and to see if Simon & Kaylee ever do make their relationship work (but I stil think that you would mess around with them, Joss, just like you did with your Angel & Buffy characters).

KIZYR

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:03 AM

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Originally posted by Humbug:
I'm sorry. I got it wrong. They FOUND Jayne on a planet called Caliban. But it doesn't say where he's from.......

As in Shakespeare's The Tempest Caliban?

For folks who haven't read The Tempest, Caliban was a native inhabitant of the island the main character Prospero lived on. He sort of represented someone with just primal, bestial urges, lots of lust tossed in.

The Wikipedia article on him is pretty well-written, and will let you make your own conclusions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliban_%28character%29

I read it with an anti-imperialist interpretation, so my own view on what Caliban represented would start going way off-topic if I elaborated any further. KF

~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

ARTEMISPRIME

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:22 AM

My goodness, but how a topic can run to places you didn't expect...Shakespeare and Firefly?

Hello FellowMal. Thanks for the browncoat. I'll place it in honour next to my Jedi robe (is it okay to love Star Wars and Firefly? she whispered in a tiny voice). As for the strawberries, they were delicious! Thanks.

JYNNANTONNYX

Monday, March 6, 2006 5:50 AM

Wiki says "In recent times, Caliban has been used as a symbol by colonial freedom fighters, especially in the West Indies, because they see him as an aboriginal inhabitant deprived of his land by European colonizers.

Although referred by Prospero as a brutal savage, and treated as a figure of fun and contempt by all of the other characters, it is significant that Caliban is given some of the of the most moving and eloquent speeches in the play."

Hmm, very interesting. Always knew Jayne was eloquent in his own way :) The Shakespeare reference couldn't be a coincidence, Joss takes so much care into his names - and he has used Shakespearean allusion before.

And Kizyr, I'm interested! As long as you can relate it to Jayne or Firefly then I think it's relavent, IMHO

"It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."

NCBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 2:07 AM

Miranda is Prospero's daughter. Isn't that a coincidence. The Tempest is all over Serenity. I think I read somewhere that Serenity's also has lots of references to Forbiden Planet, a 50's sci fi film that followed The Tempest rather closely.

V

Friday, March 10, 2006 9:45 AM

Somehow I see his family, at least his mother, as a kind old lady, living out her days on the porch knitting hats with her Black market beagle by her side wilst horses roam the Cobb ranch. Or something.

Remember, Remember the fifth of November

ANNA

Friday, March 10, 2006 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Miranda is Prospero's daughter. Isn't that a coincidence. The Tempest is all over Serenity. I think I read somewhere that Serenity's also has lots of references to Forbiden Planet, a 50's sci fi film that followed The Tempest rather closely.

MUST... READ... THE TEMPEST...

Bah, I wish we'd do it in school. Shakespeare's plays are so difficult outside of it. I tried to do MacBeth all by my self and, um, failed.

Maybe that's because I'm 16 and stoopid though

To the original poster, welcome! I am a n00b also, but I love welcoming people, to try and make them feel as much a part of the family as everyone did for me when I joined

(a few days ago, heh)
I'm sure you'll love it here, it's great and everyone's so friendly!

MATTIE

Friday, March 10, 2006 6:34 PM

Sure, Shakespeare and Firefly. There are all sorts of connections you can make to Firefly and stuff in the world. I've actually started a literature discussion thread because it's an awesome topic to relate to FF.
Oh, BTW, welcome!

Wacky fun!

DAVESHAYNE

Friday, March 10, 2006 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anna:
Bah, I wish we'd do it in school. Shakespeare's plays are so difficult outside of it. I tried to do MacBeth all by my self and, um, failed.

Maybe that's because I'm 16 and stoopid though

Nah, Macbeth is one of the Bard's more brutal plays to read. Zero sympathetic characters and a very high body count. You might want to try starting with one of the comedies and work your way to the heavy stuff. Also make sure you have one of the editions with the modern translations on the facing page, it makes it much easier to understand the language in use.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

ANNA

Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by daveshayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Anna:
Bah, I wish we'd do it in school. Shakespeare's plays are so difficult outside of it. I tried to do MacBeth all by my self and, um, failed.

Maybe that's because I'm 16 and stoopid though

Nah, Macbeth is one of the Bard's more brutal plays to read. Zero sympathetic characters and a very high body count. You might want to try starting with one of the comedies and work your way to the heavy stuff. Also make sure you have one of the editions with the modern translations on the facing page, it makes it much easier to understand the language in use.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

Heh, I think that was my mistake, the copy I have (I bought it for a beauteous 2 euro) has no notes whatsoever. I did Romeo and Juliet in school last year (oh man, I'm feeling my age here, what a little high school kid

) so I have done a teensy bit of Shakespeare before, but I think now I'm going to fork out for a nice, note-filled edition of The Tempest

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