any christians here in this entire site please stand up
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UPDATED: Monday, September 22, 2025 14:45
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I don't recall who in this thread initially brought up biblical archeology, but I'm so glad they did. This discussion has prodded me into searching the web for what I can find.
I just found this item about the "silver scrolls" -- which I must admit I'd never heard about prior to today. According the article, these scrolls were discovered in 1979 (about 5 years before I became a believer), so I'm baffled that this is the first I've ever heard of them.
I guess Bible critics are good at keeping finds like this off the front pages.
http://www.crystalinks.com/scrollsilver.html
Also The Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III (also at the British Museum)(and another thing which I haven't heard of previously) which is apparently a 2800 year old obelisk from Assyria which mentions the Israeli king Jehu, son of Omri -- as extrabiblical evidence of the existence of these two Israeli kings mentioned in the Bible.
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/compass/ixbin/goto?id=OBJ1503
Of course, there is also the "House of David" stone found in the 1990's (I had actually known about this one). 
A 2900 year old inscription which refers to David's ruling dynasty in Israel.
http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/israel/tel-dan-stele.html
And then there's this, which is apparently quite recent: http://minervamagazine.com/issue1606/news.html
If I actually didn't have a job I had to go to tomorrow, I may actually have time to dig up a whole lot more.
Again, thanks to whomever has given me this new hobby.
Skeptics must hate stuff like this. 
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Why would anyone hate this?
My issues are with arguments that go like this:
I say there was a full moon last night
I say my car was rear-ended last night
Since there was a full moon last night, it means my car was rear-ended
When dealing with composite stories, it's impossible to relate the veracity of one statement to another.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Rue:
I never said literal interpretation...hence inspired word...
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because it is CRITCAL to your everlasting spiritual life. Simple belief that it is the word of god ain't gonna cut it when god takes you to account about following his word.
lol you haven't the faintest idea do you? I think you your full of it on this one...
Do you read things literally? Do you find discrepancies between words? Or is that your excuse....you are going to spend so much time tryig to figure things out that are irrelevant to what is happening right now...even if you were to cut Christianity down to the basic premise Love Your Neighbor As Yourself, I think that you would then ask what love is, whos definition of love, what part of the earth this definition of love is...and so on and so forth for every word...you don't see yourself creating hoops to jump through when all you have to do is stop for one moment....
cuz frankly thats what it allllllll boils down to...Love, Love, Love, Love..but it appears that you would rather just pick things apart and create 100 roads when it is made of the same material...
Buddy, if it takes you that much time to figure out what you believe in...man oh man....
Do you study Philosophy? Do you take the different translations of Aurelius and say which one do you believe when it is saying all the same things...you seem quite intelligent but refuse to read between the lines...
It appears that all your studying and all your knowledge was used just to tie you down..not set you free...read some Piranedello, about perspectives and you will see that despite all the absurd perspectives, the same thing is going on...people living their lives (thats not the message but thats what is observable)
That is what religion is about, not prostration or sacrifice...ABOUT LIVING YOUR LIFE! helping where you can, being as good and virtuous as humanly possible and then going to bed haveing a shot of JD, saying thank you lord for that day and catchign some Zzzzz
SN
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but why not say it is that and a whole lot more?
because I would invariably get someone, unlike yourself, say, "WELL WHAT DOES WHOLE LOT MORE MEAN! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
Good grief!
I am sorry to take all the intellectual fun out of this thread, if i did, i apologize again...but that is the ultimate truth:
Live your life as good as possible, help when you can, and go to sleep....worrying about this and that and this and that will just get you to that early grave or a brain collapse....
-OD
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Originally posted by OmegaDark:
because I would invariably get someone, unlike yourself, say, "WELL WHAT DOES WHOLE LOT MORE MEAN! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
Good grief!
My thoughts was that that would open a dialoge, etc. But, I see your point that many people would behave the way you describe. I guess it's a judgment call and I can't say I disagree with where you stand on the topic
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Originally posted by OmegaDark:
Live your life as good as possible, help when you can, and go to sleep....worrying about this and that and this and that will just get you to that early grave or a brain collapse....
My sentiments exactly
Well, pretty much. But why argue over petty details
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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki
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Actually, I have a dream where people do not worry about having more, they seek to have just enough. Where greed and envy are considered contagious mental diseases and the root of all ruin. Where people are free of fear of each other b/c no one is seeking to take but only exchange.
Despite the fact that there is not god in it, it tracks the message of Jesus pretty well, and surprisingly, the message of the Buddha. So I have no issue with the root message of the NT.
My issues are with narrow-minded people who insist they are right and everyone else is wrong b/c they read from the 'one' true text.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Actually, I have a dream where people do not worry about having more, they seek to have just enough. Where greed and envy are considered contagious mental diseases and the root of all ruin.
And there my friend, I would have to agree with you. And what a great dream that is, even if there was no god, you could still have room for Justice....
Narrow mindedness...a curse upon the world...
-OD
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On a personal note - it was literally a dream, and a life-altering revelation. I've been lucky to have four of them in my life, and I strive (but often fail) to always remember them and live by them.
They are:
1) joy
2) centered-ness
3) love above all
4) just enough
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But your earlier post did have something vital in it, which is thanks for the day.
So thank you. I learned someting extraordinarily valuable b/c ... Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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If any of us could live by those 4 or 5 rules most of the time, then I would say we have reached the highest form of what I believe God is asking of us....to be able to encompass one and/or all of those is what I believe makes humans truly human...
good night....exhaustion wins the day
-OD
X
(I can't read or write)
PS. Thank you! And your welcome
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I apologize for the confusion, but I must admit I didn’t expect you to assume that I was talking about two different sources. Exodus is Exodus whether it’s printed in the Bible, the Torah or Time magazine.
That's just how it came across to me, sorry.
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Thereby supporting the Exodus account.
No. It gives a possible explanation for some aspects of the story. To say it supports the Exodus account is a fallacy.
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Linguistic evidence that I’ve already provided. If you’re looking for linguistic scientific journal articles, you’ll have to find them yourself. Please forward them to me if you do.
No you haven't. All you've done is say: “there is linguistic evidence”. I could say the Moons made of Cheese. All I want to know is what evidence you're referring too.
Saying there is linguistic evidence is not the same thing as providing it and since it is you making the claim the burden of proof is on your head, not mine.
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You’re the one who claimed there was no Egyptian account, not me. Remember? I was simply pointing out that a lack of an Egyptian Account, as you claimed, does not invalidate the Exodus.
You did say that the Egyptians covered it up and then you drag up an Egyptian source and say it that supports Exodus. Speaking of which:
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Ipuwer papyrus
I am aware of this source. I told you there was historical and scientific evidence for the plagues of Egypt. I told you that there is no mention of Slaves being released, which is a major part of Exodus.
The Ipuwer papyrus does not contain any mention of the slaves. It only mentions the plagues of Egypt, which is what I've been saying all along. Evidence for the Plagues, which can be explained through natural phenomena, no evidence for the actual Exodus in a source other than the Bible.
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n fact, there is an Egyptian Account and it pretty closely supports the Exodus Account, but that’s not what we were talking about; that’s another story.
It's starting to sound like you don't know the contents of the Ipuwer papyrus it supports the same aspects I said Egyptian accounts support and it fails too mention the same aspects I said Egyptian accounts fail to mention.
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Originally posted by Rue:
Why would anyone hate this?
My issues are with arguments that go like this:
I say there was a full moon last night
I say my car was rear-ended last night
Since there was a full moon last night, it means my car was rear-ended
When dealing with composite stories, it's impossible to relate the veracity of one statement to another.
I believe there's historical evidence (outside the Bible) of a man named Jesus who was the son of a carpenter and caused some problems for the Jewish church. The reason Cartoon would think this sort of thing is something sceptics would hate is because to his tiny fevered little mind everyone thinks (or more correctly doesn’t think) like him.
Specifically his thought process to the above information would be thus:
“Since there’s evidence that a man named Jesus lived that is undeniable evidence that Jesus was the son of God. Sceptics will really hate that because it undeniably proves their position is wrong!”
His thinking is so illogical you can’t even say it's a logical fallacy; it has all the reasoning of a post by PirateNews when he’s at his most feverish.
That’s why he said sceptics must really hate it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Quote:And I’ve given you the link, if you don’t like that evidence, that’s not my problem.
Originally posted by citizen:
No you haven't. All you've done is say: “there is linguistic evidence”. I could say the Moons made of Cheese. All I want to know is what evidence you're referring too.
Saying there is linguistic evidence is not the same thing as providing it and since it is you making the claim the burden of proof is on your head, not mine.
Quote:No I never said that is what Egyptians did. I said that is a possible explanation for why an Egyptian source would not exist.
Originally posted by citizen:
You did say that the Egyptians covered it up and then you drag up an Egyptian source and say it that supports Exodus.
Quote:It doesn’t go into a lot of detail about slaves, but the destruction of Egypt is a part of Exodus. It does allude to the plundering of the Egyptians.
Originally posted by citizen:
I am aware of this source. I told you there was historical and scientific evidence for the plagues of Egypt. I told you that there is no mention of Slaves being released, which is a major part of Exodus.
The Ipuwer papyrus does not contain any mention of the slaves. It only mentions the plagues of Egypt, which is what I've been saying all along. Evidence for the Plagues, which can be explained through natural phenomena, no evidence for the actual Exodus in a source other than the Bible.
Ipuwer:
Indeed, gold and lapis lazuli, silver and turquoise, carnelian and amethyst, Ibhet-stone and [*] are strung on the necks of maidservants.
Exodus:
...the sons of Israel...requested from the Egyptians articles of silver and articles of gold and clothing; and the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians so that they let them have their request. Thus they plundered the Egyptians.
* not readable or damaged
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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